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Question - Vaniki Server - Truebox? MQ?
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This has been talked about in a few places like the thread about the producer's letter and discord, so i'll try and link/relate the general consensus.
The MQ devs will have to determine what that looks like.
Truebox is still truebox, so I'd suspect, at least out the gate for MQ to not work nor have the protections in place
Here is @Knightly fielding this question yesterday (tagged so he can speak for himself and/or the mq devs)
this is likely going to be a fluid question/answer until more definitive things are decided.
for context for those curious about what this weird truebox -> relaxed truebox -> non-truebox setup will look like
The MQ devs will have to determine what that looks like.
Truebox is still truebox, so I'd suspect, at least out the gate for MQ to not work nor have the protections in place
Here is @Knightly fielding this question yesterday (tagged so he can speak for himself and/or the mq devs)
this is likely going to be a fluid question/answer until more definitive things are decided.
for context for those curious about what this weird truebox -> relaxed truebox -> non-truebox setup will look like
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Since the TLP section of the forum is fairly lightly active I did want to at least chip in as a TLP player and say adding it with relaxed Truebox (the early version) would be good. There's already plenty of cracked copies of MQ running around on these servers Truebox as is. The MQ community taking it a step further and opening it up to a wider audience with the relaxed Truebox setting really won't be an escalation or severely increase issues that are already present. Gives us TLP folks more options. I know this feedback does not have to be taken/agreed on/even read. But wanted to at least put the feedback out there for consideration as someone who does play on, and enjoy, these servers.
"cracked copies of whatever" - keep in mind, circumventing things that mq has in place has the potential of removing protections that mq provides when it should.
of course people *want* mq on truebox.
I'm not trying to criticize the product. I'm just pointing out there are people who have it figured out to use there. I don't get the sense that you, who primarily respond to things, are particularly interested in TLPs from some of your comments. There's nothing wrong with that. But it also doesn't give you great insight into what happens on them. So I felt like there was some value in adding some context for adding it earlier.
ya know what. it is pretty tiresome people telling me what i do and what i don't. you have no clue. you don't know me.
I know quite a bit of things that happen everywhere - I was a pretty big participant in Rizlona happening - I could probably make a much longer list of ways folks circumvent and utilities and tools they use to do so - but we're not talking about me or your rude assumptions or delivery.
we're talking about the mq devs and about RG being in a current state of "respecting the spirit of truebox".
what i'm responding with is that what folks are circumventing and using is potentially not the same thing (with the same protections) that mq has in place for servers that are supported.
Currently, and until it changes, MQ is not supported for truebox servers.
Of course some (and i say some for a specific reason) people who find ways to circumvent things want to use mq on truebox servers. it is a continually asked for thing. I talked with people nearly every day who play on TLPs who want to run on truebox. so yes, i do understand the desire, yes i do understand that people find work arounds.
if you want to talk about the matter - keep on topic. don't start talking about me.
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I personally don't understand the insistence of people who want to play on truebox and use software to box them when there is plenty of servers available for you to box on.
Redguides/MQ developers don't want to put MQ on truebox. This is where the discussion ends as far as we're concerned. Pointing out that others are doing does not change the stance on the situation here.
Sic doesn't need insight on what happens on them. Because it's non-sequitur to the question presented, and provides no benefit to the overall.
The short answer is no. The long answer is also no, and no amount of beating the horse while it's already in the grave is going to change it's condition.
Redguides/MQ developers don't want to put MQ on truebox. This is where the discussion ends as far as we're concerned. Pointing out that others are doing does not change the stance on the situation here.
Sic doesn't need insight on what happens on them. Because it's non-sequitur to the question presented, and provides no benefit to the overall.
The short answer is no. The long answer is also no, and no amount of beating the horse while it's already in the grave is going to change it's condition.
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While I think this response misses the mark because you (possibly) missed the word “relaxed” and are speaking about Truebox rather than Relaxed Truebox — even then it’s a matter of rule sets not being available outside of the Truebox side of things. There are many simple things that MQ offers even a single player that are huge Quality of Life improvements. TLPs are unique, lately in their ruleset but also often in the population and community surrounding them.
Personally, I don’t enjoy Classic and I wouldn’t have fun repeating Classic to PoP over and over but there’s a large part of the EQ population that really enjoys that. Not for me, but I do enjoy a TLP every few years myself (even without MQ). It’s also great for people just getting back into the game who feel “behind” in the modern era.
TLPs, changed rulesets or not are unique experiences so I don’t begrudge anyone wanting to play their way on them. I won’t support it on Truebox mainly because I think it will be abused for boxing and that’s (sort of) against the spirit of true box. Of course, it could be argued that the spirit of Truebox other than Aradune is because DPG has stock in oil for energy and pharmaceuticals for carpal tunnel meds since you can run as many computers as you can control by hand. Still, I like to think us not supporting MQ on Truebox does limit it (and the people dumb enough to pay for a spyware laden closed source bypass deserve what they get).
Regardless, the opinion was for Relaxed Truebox which the EQ developers have recognized as a time when boxing needs to occur for the server to maintain life because of the huge falloff (and the likely release of the next TLP). And I can agree with that being a good time to let MQ in.
Thank you for bringing this up. I didn't want to feel like I was trying to cause further friction in clarifying this and risk a suspension or ban. But yes, opinion is for relaxed, I have not and am not asking for it on regular Truebox and support it being in for that.
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I can't speak for everyone, but this is my attempt to explain the feeling I've had many times in the past about a ton of things. In this case:
Imagine loving a game, any game. You play it for weeks, months, years. You learn so much about it, have all kinds of knowledge and resources now much later than you ever did when it was relevant. I never knew how powerful X was back in the day! Man if only I had saved Y, I could buy a yacht IRL with money I make from selling it! Class Z is so OP since the beginning of time, why didn't I just main that from the start?!
Well when a TLP launches it kind of gives an opportunity to close the loop that has been open for so long. Instead of being the guy fumbling around being a clown, you could be THE guy. The one everyone is drooling over and wishes they were. You put all that experience, knowledge, and tenacity to work from day one. The sooner you get in and going, the bigger the gap is between you and the other people. You make as much progress as you are willing to play the game for. Everything can come full circle for you; Go from being bottom pick fella to super powerful and rich.
But you know... It's not like the old days. Man, I have to work five days a week now. This lousy family actually expects me to like, do stuff with them or something. Friends? Outside? Grab lunch? Ah man, more wasted time! I am in line to /random a position in a group that also has a queue for certain rare drops. I can't leave now!
If only there were a way I could lessen this burden through TECHNOLOGY! If I could automate some of this stuff, imagine how much further ahead of the average joe I could be. The catch is, I need to be the only person with the ability to automate this stuff. Part of an exclusive clique or club, or maybe just have a very thorough understanding of how a program like that would function and make it work regardless of restrictions placed upon it. Who has time to learn all that though, amirite? Well heck, if I am able to automate my one character while I am away doing very VERY important things.... why not add a friend for them to assist. Or maybe 5?
Now we're cooking. A whole group rocking and rolling, with (maybe) less effort involved to make them functional than a legitimately played single character. I get all the money. All the loot. All the ladies. All the men. All the experience. Certainly leaving all the competition in the proverbial sand. Again, made better by the fact that only I have access to this advantage!
All this rambling exposition build up and fantastical outlandish story for this, essentially: People want to play a Truebox TLP server with restrictions on how many character they can have logged in and no access to MQ/MQ2, but also be able to access playing multiple characters and MQ/MQ2 themselves to gain a significant unfair advantage nobody else can get. This allows them to fulfill their dreams of being on top, while also not committing their entire waking existence to that pursuit. It's not necessarily about boxing on a Truebox server, it's about boxing on a fresh server with all the limitations associated with it but not having them apply to you while you use the advantage to reap a bunch of rewards you always wanted in the past.
Does it make sense? Nope. I realize how absurd it is when I get fantasizing about things like this, but sometimes they are just weird intrusive thoughts that are fun to entertain.
Related to my previous post:
I think about if I wasn't such a dummy when I played EQ for the first time in 2000 and just kept my characters, I would have cool characters reflecting my time in the game all these years later. Instead I deleted my characters what felt like weekly just to make a slightly different, but ultimately the same character.
Let me delete my Wood Elf Bard every week and remake him, slap the same armor on him, but only slightly change him. Different face this time. Different name another. Each time moving his birthday further and further away from the date I actually started playing.
Would be cool if I still have my original character, Shim the Gnome Magician. Something like July 2000 birthday
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My oldest character and main has an early 2000 birthday. My co-main on another account has a birthday in early 2009. I've boxed and used MQ2 over the last several years but I personally can't grasp the constant churn that some people engage in with creating a new TLP character then running off to do the same thing all over again on the next TLP. But maybe that's just me
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I'm interested to see from a technical perspective if Relaxed Truebox will be an implementation of their truebox code that does some sort of client count and boots any beyond 3, or if it is akin to Aradune's "2 box limit" (note Aradune's limit means even using three separate computers, you are not allowed to play three accounts.)
Aradune ended up just literally being a regular Truebox server from a technical perspective, the 2-box limit then was solely enforced via CS/GM enforcement (and it's always been suggested enforcement of that was very lax, and dropped into almost nothingness once Aradune was out of Kunark), if Relaxed Truebox follows that ruleset it could end up just being a "regular server" with no truebox code, and the 3 box limit would then just be a community/CS enforced rule. I think that functionally wouldn't really be a Truebox server in the sense that we understand them now.
It would not be terribly hard for them to cook up an implementation of Truebox that blocks the 4th+ clients from connecting, so it wouldn't shock me if they developed such an implementation, in that case I think Relaxed Truebox is more akin to current Truebox. Technically speaking anyway, philosophically it's obviously a matter of opinion, I think the first scenario Relaxed Truebox is philosophically akin to a live server that has non-software enforced rules that do get broken by MQ users (whatever their provenance) basically anytime they connect, the second implementation I think is philosophically more akin to the current Truebox servers.
It's hard for me to imagine myself playing on a TLP again but I could definitely see myself considering maybe doing some of the later expansions on a TLP once Truebox fully drops off of them, which is in the Buried Sea; relaxed Truebox starts in Omens which isn't an era I'm crazy to relive as I've done the rough level 70 stretch on a number of TLPs now.
Aradune ended up just literally being a regular Truebox server from a technical perspective, the 2-box limit then was solely enforced via CS/GM enforcement (and it's always been suggested enforcement of that was very lax, and dropped into almost nothingness once Aradune was out of Kunark), if Relaxed Truebox follows that ruleset it could end up just being a "regular server" with no truebox code, and the 3 box limit would then just be a community/CS enforced rule. I think that functionally wouldn't really be a Truebox server in the sense that we understand them now.
It would not be terribly hard for them to cook up an implementation of Truebox that blocks the 4th+ clients from connecting, so it wouldn't shock me if they developed such an implementation, in that case I think Relaxed Truebox is more akin to current Truebox. Technically speaking anyway, philosophically it's obviously a matter of opinion, I think the first scenario Relaxed Truebox is philosophically akin to a live server that has non-software enforced rules that do get broken by MQ users (whatever their provenance) basically anytime they connect, the second implementation I think is philosophically more akin to the current Truebox servers.
It's hard for me to imagine myself playing on a TLP again but I could definitely see myself considering maybe doing some of the later expansions on a TLP once Truebox fully drops off of them, which is in the Buried Sea; relaxed Truebox starts in Omens which isn't an era I'm crazy to relive as I've done the rough level 70 stretch on a number of TLPs now.
What's silly to me about disabling mq2 on truebox is that people are going to do it anyway.
There are truebox versions of MQ2 being sold for $350 with a $30 fee for additional updates. Who do you think is paying that? It's the 40 mage Krono farmers that everyone complains about ruining the economy.
The guy simply wanting running his own group or to use /nav to get to the bank are SOL.
There are truebox versions of MQ2 being sold for $350 with a $30 fee for additional updates. Who do you think is paying that? It's the 40 mage Krono farmers that everyone complains about ruining the economy.
The guy simply wanting running his own group or to use /nav to get to the bank are SOL.
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My statement was merely to put to rest the request for Macroquest on truebox as for a great many of years it's been said that the response to such a request was no. Relaxed or not. I was unaware of a discussion about it in any form and simply wasn't after a debate on the matter because at last discussion on the matter it was just a flat out no. I can only relay what I've been told, and so that's what I did. So if the minds of the development team has been swayed then I recant my previous position and leave the updates on the matter to those with direct control of it.
This isn't a change in policy -- a Relaxed Truebox server has never existed before (and as of right now, still doesn't). That's EQ terminology, not our terminology. Truebox is one character per computer. Relaxed Truebox is like...3 characters per computer or something like that. They're essentially completely different philosophies when it comes to "Truebox." So, in this thread, we're talking about something new -- not anything that existed previously.
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Neither here nor there--but I think you're conflating different things. While we don't get into specifics about it here, simply getting MQ running on a truebox server is relatively straightforward now that it is open source and you can probably use a non-Redguides resource to figure that out [note--there are risks involved to yourself if you do this in regard to your accounts and DPG]. What people are paying those high fees for, at least the ne'er do wells I know who have paid it, is a truebox bypass--that is something beyond just MQ that runs on a Truebox server, that is software that actually allows you to bypass DPG's truebox code and run multiple clients on a single machine. There are people who maintain versions of MQ (remember, anyone can maintain a private branch) that have this capability and there are other completely non-MQ applications that people are spreading around that bypass truebox as well. Several of them are absolutely distributed by people with a long history of not being very trustworthy, and I think you'd have to be very foolish to run their closed source program on your personal PC.
Also technically speaking MQ isn't "disabled" on Truebox, it just isn't supported on Truebox by the MQ development team or Redguides. But it is an open source software project and open source software used in your own branch can do any number of things that you intend and that other people don't intend, that is the nature of open source. Now that we are fully open source, there is no one telling you what you can or can't do with MQ. Redguides isn't offering a paid product that works on Truebox, and the primary MQ devs aren't supporting truebox in the main repo of the project, but it's a fully open product that you can do with as you please if you're so inclined.
FWIW I agree philosophically, at least at this point, with the position that you probably shouldn't use MQ on truebox, shouldn't be bypassing Truebox, and certainly the community does not benefit for either of those things to become widespread and widely disseminated. I have been part of a lot of TLPs and I was one of the people running a mage box crew back on Lockjaw in Classic. I saw firsthand (and was complicit in) many of the things that lead to the creation of Truebox, AoC, and MoTM. While of those three, I think Truebox is probably the least well done / well considered, I do think to maintain the sort of game play experience a large portion of their customer base wants, some "limiter" boxing is necessary for most of their TLPs (I think special servers like Rizlona make sense since they offered it at the same time as a regular TLP for the anti-boxing crowd.) I also have always strongly felt that just how MoTM and AoCs really address deficits in early EQ as it relates to modern TLPs, and both become irrelevant over time (the final MOTM expansion is PoP and the final AoC expansion is PoR--but after GoD AoC is mostly not super relevant), Truebox for some reason they choose to keep until the servers hit live (or at least they did until now.) I have always thought that was ill considered. But anyway, we all know it's been a rough first four months of 2022 for the MQ/Redguides community with the suspension waves, but being honest the total % of accounts affected has still been low. Truebox is seen as very, very important by DPG for the success of their TLPs, which are a major source of revenue to them. I think if we got into a war about bypassing Truebox things could get really ugly, beyond that I also think it's bad for the early era TLP game (excepting situations like Rizlona), and while I am obviously and always a rulebreaker who uses MQ to play EQ, I do actually want what's best for EQ--it's a game I've played for many years and don't want to see bad things happen to its community, and I think blowing up their Truebox system would not be good for the EQ community as a whole.
At least in my case, pointing out that this is happening already isn't so much a "hey look, why can't we do that?" It's more of a way of communicating that MQ2 usage popping up on these servers when the rules relax isn't going to be a big revelation to the server or bring additional heat to the MQ community. People are on edge with the suspensions, so I could understand apprehension to introduce MQ with relaxed Truebox bringing more heat down, but it's already happening now so it's not going to change the reality of what's happening on the server. I'm pro-EverQuest, people on TLPs in these later expacs want boxing, it adds longevity. Not just basing this on my own bias, but the post made about it on the official forums is the most liked post in forum history, so that says something. Especially as these rulesets become increasingly diverse that's going to only increase the desire to play there. So it's good to see DPG taking that feedback to heart. If it's going to infuse more subs in these servers that benefits me whether I want to play there or not. I agree, bringing it to Truebox is not good, and not something I will ever personally advocate for. But as the rules relax and boxing becomes more the norm that's a good point for reassessment.
Not trying to beat a dead horse or drama. But seems the input is ok at this point given there's more discussion.
Truebox was one answer to reducing support costs from people complaining about mage armies on Ragefire (Magefire). As hector_red pointed out, MoTM was another of those, and there were plenty of changes arising as everyone abused the heck out of mechanics on Ragefire (harmtouch armies, anyone?). There were a lot of suspensions on Ragefire and it is generally considered to be one of the largest support cost servers ever. It also drove a lot of people away.
Fast forward to a lot of recapture that happened with the advent of Truebox (but which could also tie to AoC since that didn’t exist before Truebox) and I think Truebox has become more of the niche thing than people realize. But in essence, it is still trying to combat the “box army drives people away” scenario. All of which is from a less active and less policing GM force. Not saying that is right or wrong, having less human GMs and less arbitration of players is probably a good business decision. But all of that boils down to support costs.
At the end of the day, we want a dually beneficial symbiotic relationship with EQ and not a parasitic one. That’s not the case for some people, who just want to “get theirs” and others who would bully people. But if we can help reduce support costs even a little, we should.
There is such a falloff at GoD that I don’t think support costs go up with the addition of MQ. If people are still complaining via support tickets and have not given up, it might even go down (though forum complaints will always exist no matter what happens). I do think support costs go up the more people who box on a new TLP, regardless of what they are using to do it.
Fast forward to a lot of recapture that happened with the advent of Truebox (but which could also tie to AoC since that didn’t exist before Truebox) and I think Truebox has become more of the niche thing than people realize. But in essence, it is still trying to combat the “box army drives people away” scenario. All of which is from a less active and less policing GM force. Not saying that is right or wrong, having less human GMs and less arbitration of players is probably a good business decision. But all of that boils down to support costs.
At the end of the day, we want a dually beneficial symbiotic relationship with EQ and not a parasitic one. That’s not the case for some people, who just want to “get theirs” and others who would bully people. But if we can help reduce support costs even a little, we should.
There is such a falloff at GoD that I don’t think support costs go up with the addition of MQ. If people are still complaining via support tickets and have not given up, it might even go down (though forum complaints will always exist no matter what happens). I do think support costs go up the more people who box on a new TLP, regardless of what they are using to do it.
I played on Ragefire and Rizlona and the differences are night and day. Mainly because as Knightly said Ragefire didnt have AoC's, MotM, and it was the only choice to play on a tlp in that era. All the chronic rerollers avoided Rizlona for Aradune. Riz even at launch was the most casual non competitive server I've ever played. There were of course the 54 boxer rmts and one in particular was pretty toxic warping everywhere, but unless you cared about open world targets they largely didn't have a huge impact. We still got a good percentage of open world targets as a semi casual non batphone guild.
I personally think truebox is a placebo to placate the rerollers at this point as instances, picks, and motm have largely solved the raiding/grouping congestion that caused alot of the issues in the first place. I do think its still good policy to separate the servers based on boxing and truebox just so people that want to box don't have to hear the crying from the ones that don't. All the large competitive reroller guilds will always avoid the boxing servers. It's taken them years but at least they're finally acknowledging how silly it is to keep truebox past Omens. I'd be all for allowing Next and MQ activated at that point.
I personally think truebox is a placebo to placate the rerollers at this point as instances, picks, and motm have largely solved the raiding/grouping congestion that caused alot of the issues in the first place. I do think its still good policy to separate the servers based on boxing and truebox just so people that want to box don't have to hear the crying from the ones that don't. All the large competitive reroller guilds will always avoid the boxing servers. It's taken them years but at least they're finally acknowledging how silly it is to keep truebox past Omens. I'd be all for allowing Next and MQ activated at that point.
I really hope DBG retroactively changes tlps to include relaxed/non true box settings. On Mangler/Coirnav for instance, we have mercs and there is maybe 1-2 people lfg ever all day long. If they allowed us to even box on the same computer, I'd spin up an additional account in a heartbeat.
Everything past DoDH is pretty much instanced in terms of group content as well, so the impact of having someone 3-6 boxing is next to none. The tradeable market is also almost purely tradeskill driven until chase items show up much much later.
Either way, I hope these new rules get applied to other tlps and even more so I hope we see MQ on some older TLPS soon.
Everything past DoDH is pretty much instanced in terms of group content as well, so the impact of having someone 3-6 boxing is next to none. The tradeable market is also almost purely tradeskill driven until chase items show up much much later.
Either way, I hope these new rules get applied to other tlps and even more so I hope we see MQ on some older TLPS soon.
Like the post says...looking at Yelinak Options (I'm returning after a lonnnng hiatus so not sure where the line is these days on the EULA vs what actually gets banned)
ISBoxer - Guessing that's going to get banned?
IONbc - Probably an easy middle ground I'm guessing if I'm using 2-3 pcs?
USB Remote Num Keyboards - Last Resort?
Any advice is appreciated. I've got a week to get ready I figure and work this stuff out.
ISBoxer - Guessing that's going to get banned?
IONbc - Probably an easy middle ground I'm guessing if I'm using 2-3 pcs?
USB Remote Num Keyboards - Last Resort?
Any advice is appreciated. I've got a week to get ready I figure and work this stuff out.
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I've been playing on Vaniki, has been pretty fun so far tbh, even with doing the dreaded true box thing (started with 3, got a steam deck through the other day, so been using that to it's full potential to box a 4th on it, hehehe!) The cap at 40 is pretty odd, but am doing and using stuff that previously I would have straight vendored/destroyed which is pretty fun, plus finding quests to do that I've straight up ignored in the past. Glad it's only 4 weeks however, wouldn't have minded if it was 2-3 weeks either.
Done Vox, Inny & Naggy as raids so far and they're an absolute joke at 40 with no MoTM
I've not used MQ on it, although people are (been pretty few and far between however from what I've seen) I still use my original accounts from 2004 onwards all with the same e-mail address, so would lose a fair bit sentimentally if they were ever banned. I did catch as suspension on one of my accounts from Rizlona though, which made me stop using MQ (was my oldest account too, it's like they knew I'd be most gutted about losing that one ;p) and had said I'd probably not use it again, at least on my existing accounts as I don't want them banned outright.
After dealing with the hot garbage that is the /follow in game for 9 days or so, after using the MQ tools, is seriously making me re-consider. Of all the things they've taken from MQ over the years, why in the name of Cazic couldn't they have improved /follow?! Definitely the thing I miss most about MQ. The rest of it was really nice to have, but not 100% necessary (for me)
Problem is I guess even if I just used MQ for /stick & /nav etc, it's pretty obvious. Maybe could just use it inside instances i'm in i guess, but would be too tempted to use it in OW too eventually.
Done Vox, Inny & Naggy as raids so far and they're an absolute joke at 40 with no MoTM
I've not used MQ on it, although people are (been pretty few and far between however from what I've seen) I still use my original accounts from 2004 onwards all with the same e-mail address, so would lose a fair bit sentimentally if they were ever banned. I did catch as suspension on one of my accounts from Rizlona though, which made me stop using MQ (was my oldest account too, it's like they knew I'd be most gutted about losing that one ;p) and had said I'd probably not use it again, at least on my existing accounts as I don't want them banned outright.
After dealing with the hot garbage that is the /follow in game for 9 days or so, after using the MQ tools, is seriously making me re-consider. Of all the things they've taken from MQ over the years, why in the name of Cazic couldn't they have improved /follow?! Definitely the thing I miss most about MQ. The rest of it was really nice to have, but not 100% necessary (for me)
Problem is I guess even if I just used MQ for /stick & /nav etc, it's pretty obvious. Maybe could just use it inside instances i'm in i guess, but would be too tempted to use it in OW too eventually.
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I know we can box 3 on the same computer on Vaniki after August 3rd, but I can’t find any information that tells us if we can use MQ at that time. I’m trying to determine if at that point I will just be able to box 3 manually, or if we can use MQ to box them. Sorry if this has been answered, but I just read for 2 hours and couldn’t find it.
That was actually the point of this thread was to find if it would be allowed. And from Reading above, it seems as if it hasn't been decided when the relaxed rules or even when the true box is dropped are when it might be allowed.
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so by the 10/26 we'll be able to use MQ2 on vaniki since it's losing the truebox tag
just gotta wait a bit, we are almost there !
just gotta wait a bit, we are almost there !
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Has anyone confirmed if MQ works on Relaxed Truebox yet? I’m assuming it doesn’t, but with the suspensions going on lately, I didn’t want to chance trying.
it does not currently
Question - - TLP Truebox Vaniki - relaxed truebox 8/3/2022?
Does anyone know if MQ2 will work when truebox will be remove ? Like next wednesday ? Thanks !
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