Problem - Tank & assist problem

[Azarbodek86]

Tank & assist problem

From main command giver,
/bct playername1 /mac kissassist tank playername2

He will not mark playername2 as main assist while being Tank role. Playername1 is putting him self as "Tanking & Main assist" due to this when giving a command to him to /chase he acts like he doesn't even have a main assist to chase... in order for me to get him to chase I had to put him as /assist but if I run into a mob he doesn't play a tank role well to keep agro or etc etc a tank would do and keep jumping behind the mob to assist. So... I had to put him to /assist to be able to chase me till I come to a camp and then I'll mark him as tank which he still making him self main assist while I have main command giver target or /mac kissassist tank playername2. It used to never been like that. Set there role and main assist and go with out swapping role to get him to chase.... fyi my ini file all checked out fine where it needs to be at for chase command to work. In other words my tank won't "Tank & Assist" just "Tank & Main assist"

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Sorry for any typos. Can't Internet last night. Lol

 

[LorDeth]

Re: Tank & assist problem

From main command giver,
/bct playername1 /mac kissassist tank playername2

He will not mark playername2 as main assist while being Tank role. Playername1 is putting him self as "Tanking & Main assist" due to this when giving a command to him to /chase he acts like he doesn't even have a main assist to chase... in order for me to get him to chase I had to put him as /assist but if I run into a mob he doesn't play a tank role well to keep agro or etc etc a tank would do and keep jumping behind the mob to assist. So... I had to put him to /assist to be able to chase me till I come to a camp and then I'll mark him as tank which he still making him self main assist while I have main command giver target or /mac kissassist tank playername2. It used to never been like that. Set there role and main assist and go with out swapping role to get him to chase.... fyi my ini file all checked out fine where it needs to be at for chase command to work. In other words my tank won't "Tank & Assist" just "Tank & Main assist"

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Sorry for any typos. Can't Internet last night. Lol

I think thats working as intended.. when assigning a role of tank, (as you are doing in the /mac kissassist tank) it is MAKING him the main assist.. it will just ignore the name after that.. The 'tank' role as per EQ doesnt mean anything.. the 'main assist' role per EQ is how we designate our tank.

So, in your example above, player 1 is beign told to be the MA based on the command, and player 2 is ignored.

There are really only 3 roles you want to set your guys to when setting up a grp in kiss:
/mac kissassist tank (this will become the MA of the grp, and will do the aggro and tanking)
/mac kissassist puller (the group's puller) you still have to target your tank before entering this command.
/mac kissassist assist tanktoon 98 (this will assist your tanktoon (the MA) at 98% mob health) .. You also still have to target your tank before entering this cmd

you can do /mac kissassist pullertank and you will be the MA as well as pull for the grp..

But i think what you are trying to do is not what kiss will actually do...

hope that helps?

 

[Azarbodek86]

Re: Tank & assist problem

I think thats working as intended.. when assigning a role of tank, (as you are doing in the /mac kissassist tank) it is MAKING him the main assist.. it will just ignore the name after that.. The 'tank' role as per EQ doesnt mean anything.. the 'main assist' role per EQ is how we designate our tank.

So, in your example above, player 1 is beign told to be the MA based on the command, and player 2 is ignored.

There are really only 3 roles you want to set your guys to when setting up a grp in kiss:
/mac kissassist tank (this will become the MA of the grp, and will do the aggro and tanking)
/mac kissassist puller (the group's puller) you still have to target your tank before entering this command.
/mac kissassist assist tanktoon 98 (this will assist your tanktoon (the MA) at 98% mob health) .. You also still have to target your tank before entering this cmd

you can do /mac kissassist pullertank and you will be the MA as well as pull for the grp..

But i think what you are trying to do is not what kiss will actually do...

hope that helps?

I have been using that command for awhile now under my hot keys right before I took a short break. I mainly play my bard that I give out commands on so basically I just pull for my kissassist group.. The main problem is I want my tank to assist my bard so when I do decide to move my group all I got to do is hit my /chase hot key to give them the command to chase my bard. Due to the fact I can't get my tank "Shadow knight" to chase because he being stuck on "Tank & Main Assist". Since my hot key needs to be updated again what's the appropriate way to get my tank to assist my bard while in tank role. If I do just "/mac kissassist assist" while bard is targeted it'll just make him assist my bard and will jump around to much while staying on target with bard vs him being a "Tank & Assist" doesn't move around as much would "run more smoothly" hopefully I explained it better this way. ���� just need to know the "Tank&Assist" command so my "/chase will work with out swapping windows to move my shadow knight.

 

[Raidien1]

Re: Tank & assist problem

I have been using that command for awhile now under my hot keys right before I took a short break. I mainly play my bard that I give out commands on so basically I just pull for my kissassist group.. The main problem is I want my tank to assist my bard so when I do decide to move my group all I got to do is hit my /chase hot key to give them the command to chase my bard. Due to the fact I can't get my tank "Shadow knight" to chase because he being stuck on "Tank & Main Assist". Since my hot key needs to be updated again what's the appropriate way to get my tank to assist my bard while in tank role. If I do just "/mac kissassist assist" while bard is targeted it'll just make him assist my bard and will jump around to much while staying on target with bard vs him being a "Tank & Assist" doesn't move around as much would "run more smoothly" hopefully I explained it better this way. ���� just need to know the "Tank&Assist" command so my "/chase will work with out swapping windows to move my shadow knight.

I am very interested in this answer also. I run a similar set up where I control my Ranger and use him to pull but would like for the team to follow the Ranger when it is time to move.

 

[LorDeth]

Re: Tank & assist problem

I am very interested in this answer also. I run a similar set up where I control my Ranger and use him to pull but would like for the team to follow the Ranger when it is time to move.

hmm.. if i were setting up like that, here's what i would do:

on tank toon: /mac kissassist tank
on puller toon(rng) : /mac kissassist puller (while targeting tank)
on rest of toons : /mac kissassist assist (while targeting tank)

then, have a couple of hotkeys set up on your ranger's window:
to set camp or pick up camp when you want to move - a toggle : /bcga //camphere
and then the follow key for ranger to hit so everyone follows him when on the move - 2 line hotkey: line 1:/bcg //target ranger line 2:/bcg //stick on (or you can use the //afollow on if u dont use mq2moveutils plugin)

then a 3rd key on ranger to break follow : /bcg //stick off

this doesn't use the chaseon chaseoff premise, but would work for you in the situation where you want them following your puller instead of tank.. and your tank is still set up as your MA..

I have those follow 'stick' commands set up on my bard, my tank, and my cleric.. just for when i need the toons to get over to them.. not always the tank leading the run somewhere.. and it works great.. and i have no chase flags set in my kiss ini's, they are all set to 0..

 

[Raidien1]

Re: Tank & assist problem

hmm.. if i were setting up like that, here's what i would do:

on tank toon: /mac kissassist tank
on puller toon(rng) : /mac kissassist puller (while targeting tank)
on rest of toons : /mac kissassist assist (while targeting tank)

then, have a couple of hotkeys set up on your ranger's window:
to set camp or pick up camp when you want to move - a toggle : /bcga //camphere
and then the follow key for ranger to hit so everyone follows him when on the move - 2 line hotkey: line 1:/bcg //target ranger line 2:/bcg //stick on (or you can use the //afollow on if u dont use mq2moveutils plugin)

then a 3rd key on ranger to break follow : /bcg //stick off

this doesn't use the chaseon chaseoff premise, but would work for you in the situation where you want them following your puller instead of tank.. and your tank is still set up as your MA..

I have those follow 'stick' commands set up on my bard, my tank, and my cleric.. just for when i need the toons to get over to them.. not always the tank leading the run somewhere.. and it works great.. and i have no chase flags set in my kiss ini's, they are all set to 0..

In a perfect world I would like to see something like the auto.mac has where you can input follow this toon in the ini for KissAssist.

 

[Maskoi]

This is a bug we are looking into there will be a fix next.

 

[Maskoi]

We are creating a new command called

/chaseme

if used it will tell the toons to follow who ever issued the command.

 

[Azarbodek86]

Thanks!!

 

[Maskoi]

thanks for the idea

 

[ctaylor22]

There have been some changes in the next version of kiss and the new /chaseme functions on any group member. There have been a few more changes when setting roles. You will only want 1 character set using a role that defaults them to MainAssist. All other characters should be in an Assist type Roll. Puller is an assist role.

The following Roles are considered MainAssist Roles. Tank, Pullertank, PetTank, Pullerpettank, Hunter, and Hunterpettank. You should only have one group member set to a MainAssist role, and all others should be in an assist role.

We are looking into a way to allow you to switch the MA Role from one group member to another, basically allowing you to pass off the tanking role from one group member to another, but we are still testing this function.

 

[Casca]

I saw this on another post and keep it next to my Chase hotkey.

/bcg //nav id ${Me.ID}

You'll need to have a mesh loaded for the zone you're in to use it and holyshit if you use it in an area of the mesh that isn't working quiet right lol. Quick fix, still working on seeing if I can get all of my toons to just Chase all the time. But hit that key and your group is moving to whomever issued it. Better than /stick, since it'll actually nav around obstacles and you keep KISS loaded/not paused.