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Question - So what's up next? Are you doing XYZ class?

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Not to turn this into a class war, but Druids offer a quality of life benefit.

Sure, a CLR/WAR/BRD/BST/ZERK/ZERK group is likely optimal. But really, who cares? I have completed all group content up to ToV with CLR/SHD/BRD/MAG/DRU/ZERK without issue. What does a bit more DPS really matter?

In exchange for some DPS loss I get:
- backup healing and rez for those cases where the CLR drops (happens more often than I would like)
- PORTS!!!
- non-LOS harmony for those cases where it's needed

Just recently completed progression for TBL chase and ToV earring. Probably would have gone bonkers doing it without circle/ring/zephyr. Would probably never consider giving them up in exchange for a small DPS boost.

Seeing as MQ2/CWTN is itself a QoL utility, I think druids fit in quite nicely. But seeing as KISS works well enough, I can wait.
 
vandersl said:
Not to turn this into a class war, but Druids offer a quality of life benefit.

Sure, a CLR/WAR/BRD/BST/ZERK/ZERK group is likely optimal. But really, who cares? I have completed all group content up to ToV with CLR/SHD/BRD/MAG/DRU/ZERK without issue. What does a bit more DPS really matter?
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I try to remind myself of this often. As I got older and try to make the most out of my time, doing everything, I lose part of the fun that's involved in NOT optimizing everything.
Of course there is an absolute best group that trashes everything, but you lose some of unique charm of having a "sub optimal" group that has a wildly different tool kit to play with. Some of my favorite memories were groups with just horrible composition that we made work somehow. I think that kinda depends on who you're playing with though.
 
i honestly perfer a group with a druid healer whenever i can, i dont like wizards but i like them ports
 
arander said:
thats funny, back in POP era my raid guilds second best healer was a druid, she was always right behind the MT MH(cleric) on heal parses. Could solo heal a group doing just about anything


but i echo the comment earlier, hoping for MQ2Paladin next. Never really got into SK, and i LOVE my paladin, but i really enjoy CWTN plugins, and use them for almost my entire group
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What is really funny is how back in POP clerics were just in a circle jerk relay of timed CH casting. Second place where nobody is competing is surely impressive.
 
Ive been botting my Wife's Druid, there useful, and her Mage also. Healing and DPS is there using some modified ini i've found and made some changes to it. Porting groups around also. They do have a mana issue and mounts don't really help. Maxxed AA and raid geared. 4 of 6 are raid geared and Maxxed or close to it. A well played or ini druid in my opinion are useful.
 
I've now ventured out into CoV and with a very bare and inefficient KA ini, my Dru heals me just fine(and she is like the last toon I gear, nor is she 115 or high aa, and probably missing most of her spells from the last 3-8 levels). What I made her for in the first place were the ports, and I always prefer flexibility in skills so I went Dru not wiz. My group is heavily melee/hybrid, and I don't use her well at all because..well, effort to set it up lol. But, she heals me just fine when a week ago I couldn't even kill in tov before the most recent autogrants more due to DPS than anything, and unless my belt procs, I don't use slows. My biggest problem is my own attention to roamers who usually go after her first. But, her healing is fine. DPS is supposed to be good but I don't use it. Ports are awesome- especially in the absence of a port to WW, and ability to group port to any of her 3 anchors(1 can only go in guild halls). I'm often told I should use a sham, and ideally I would, but if the Dru does the job and adds ease of travel, why play musical toons to min/max.

That said, I should try rgmercs or mq2heals for the Dru, if they work as well as I read, that should be sufficient for most. It's not like rog/zerk who are strategically ordering and timing dozens of aas, discs, and clicks. A drink mostly just needs to cast the right spell in the right circumstance except on needs when burn assistance both for dps and healing would certainly help. I regularly use Dru heals, do so very badly lol, and I wouldn't prioritize them for a plugin even if the result would be eons ahead of now. Might I buy it if made down the road? Sure, but not on my priority list, and without trying other tools first, it may just be Overkill for marginal improvement(vs things I haven't yet tried)

I'm actually more surprised there's no necro mage wiz or bard, though I know bard is often requested, the only caster represented that I can see is chanter :-)
 
I have a know couple druids, but as Toe said, they arnt really useful in group content, unless your running all casters? Shaman can heal, DPS and ADPS just as good in group content. Raids is a different story, they are pretty useful there, however i only raid on 2 char, neither druids, and i full manual drive on those. I was saying MQbard, however SL's bard KA12 is solid after running it for a week, so I would like ranger or wiz. thats my 2cp worth..
 
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durango773 said:
I have a couple druids, but as Toe said, they arnt really useful in group content, unless your running all casters? Shaman can heal, DPS and ADPS just as good in group content. Raids is a different story, they are pretty useful there, however i only raid on 2 char, neither druids, and i full manual drive on those. I was saying MQbard, however SL's bard KA12 is solid after running it for a week, so I would like ranger or wiz. thats my 2cp worth..
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What I was saying was that the druid is perfectly capable of doing group content as the main and sole healer, and can do so much more than I use it for. They are the better healers for caster groups and we always set them up that way in raid for that reason, but perfectly capable of melee too and have some burn tools for melee and tanks as well, just not AS well as shm. I would prefer either over a cleric outside an undead group or a highly punishing event- like a raid, but again, I prefer multifunctional rather than single expertise. They all have their uses, some better at some things than others. A well played druid will amaze you of you've never seen one.
 
I will have to try druid as a main healer. I've always heard druids weren't that great as healers but I'll be honest I haven't tried it yet. I was a die hard cleric fan and wasn't sure how shamans do. Then I find out shams do pretty well! I got excited to learn more of the group heals and actually got me excited to do more melee focus groups.

I use my druid mainly as a DPS and back up healer at the 30% or under mark. yeah they are a bit mana intensive but does get that nifty pet regen. Between chanter, beast, and druid skin mana regen downtime is pretty short or can do it between pulls. Can score pretty good dps (esp on crits) and will last a bit longer if you turn off the high mana cost DoT but goes down in dps.

Like others have pointed out they have more utilities they can bring to a group at some sacrafice but such is the game of classes. You can gain more dps with another class but loose some functionality and same can be said the other way. You can gain more utilities at the cost of some dps/downtime/whatever.

I think it really comes down to how each person plays and what they want. I'm not going to lie I'm starting to play with different group combinations just to see whats out there and see how different groups work. I'm actually going to try a 5 mage group with (clr, bst, chanter) just for fun. All thanks to MQ2 and the wonderful people who know these other classes so well, I've learned so much from watching people who made these macros. Cheers!
 
if every druid aa/spell cast time was halved(ish), norrath would be overrun with barefooted asslings in every group. dru have such a fantastic toolkit, but everything takes.too.damn.long to use.
 
I put 30,000AA on a druid, thinking he just needed a little more to make him good the whole time. Finally just had to bench him. So much potential but he stayed OOM 90% of the time.
 
william12 said:
lets get mq2bard first :) druid is useful in a caster group but have huge mana issues.
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Absolutely! Every group needs a bard!

Having said that, I do have a soft spot for druids seeing as my original main was a Druid and was great fun to play.
 
ChatWithThisName said:
Druid is actually the only class I don't have a template plugin for. I've never played a druid to any capacity personally. Though when I do get around to working on the class I'll of course do my due diligence and conduct the same research and work to achieve the best possible results. However, I can say that druid is not high on the priority list of classes to make just based on how unpopular they are. We will do all classes eventually. But it will take time.
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Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the explanation. 👍
 
i was just wandering if there was ever gonna be a bard plugin it would be awesome to be able to run my group on all plugins !!!! I'm sure it alot to do with that one i do appreciate all the work yall do with the plugins!
 
Huttont1 said:
i was just wandering if there was ever gonna be a bard plugin it would be awesome to be able to run my group on all plugins !!!! I'm sure it alot to do with that one i do appreciate all the work yall do with the plugins!
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are you asking for the cwtn plugins?
 
ChatWithThisName said:
The issue with bards is they are vastly different than all others when it comes to a lot of things.

For example:

Bards can cast and move.
Bards songs have no global cooldown on gems.

These two things alone will make it more complicated to code as I have started adding logic in to handle spell casting, but in doing so there has been no consideration made for bards while doing so. I will have to go back and adjust all movement and all spell casting logic to include specialized consideration for bards.

I do not currently have any mez logic.
Pulling does not take into consideration any pacy pulling.
Specialized bard abilities such as sonic displacement/disturbance for pulling are not considered in pull routines.
There is currently no logic in my library for handling charm routines.

Bards are "Always" casting essentially. So knowing when they should stop their twist/cast in favor of something else, or allow an opportunity to memorize things, or how to handle updating the spell bar once new abilities have been learned etc are going to be their own development path.

Keep in mind that plugins are no coded the same way macros are coded, a lot of things that macros check are coded directly into their data types and no functions exists to return those values. So 95% of the functions used in my plugins needed to be created either by taking what was coded in for a macro return and altering it to be it's own function, or created from scratch entirely.

For now I will focus on the caster classes and it's entirely a possibility that bards will be last. I can say that Enchanters will be a task I tackle next personally. However, Sic may end up deciding to try to tackle the Bard himself when the time comes since he himself runs a bard.

I will say that if things are in preparation for, or are being made, they will be announced and everyone will know when it happens. Promise ;)
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Crazy idea...but instead of complex logic like that...maybe use the pre-built /melody song, song, song song...as part of your build macro? Just food for thought...if you go that route, instead of thinking through how to account for all the movement you can just build a /melody routing for pulling, for dps, etc...that triggers at the begging of each event...for example you go pull.../melody fast run song, ....you return from pulling, different melody command with you haste/mana/spell focus...etc...and use the plug-in interface so the user can select the bard mode.

Probably a stupid idea...but an idea nonetheless.
 
A huge 2nd to this request. My bard is so frustrating to work with compared to the rest of my CWTN/Sic crew. For the love of all this is holy. Please make a bard Plugin. TY.
 
Hey everyone,
I am a huge fan of the MQ2 boxer line of plugin's that you guys have been coming up with. Unfortunately, just like a mouse who was given a cookie, I am always interested in more, especially after grabbing MQ2Bst and MQ2Berzerker today and seeing just how amazing they are. Do you guys have a MQ2Bard in the works by chance? Is there anything I can do to help get a MQ2Bard in production?
Bard's are one of my favorite classes and love to always have one in my group. I'm currently using a Kissassist ini that I created, but it doesn't stack up to any of the MQ2 plugins that you guys have made.
Anyways, figured I'd ask!
Thank you for your time and effort in responding!
 
Silvos said:
Hey everyone,
I am a huge fan of the MQ2 boxer line of plugin's that you guys have been coming up with. Unfortunately, just like a mouse who was given a cookie, I am always interested in more, especially after grabbing MQ2Bst and MQ2Berzerker today and seeing just how amazing they are. Do you guys have a MQ2Bard in the works by chance? Is there anything I can do to help get a MQ2Bard in production?
Bard's are one of my favorite classes and love to always have one in my group. I'm currently using a Kissassist ini that I created, but it doesn't stack up to any of the MQ2 plugins that you guys have made.
Anyways, figured I'd ask!
Thank you for your time and effort in responding!
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we plan on doing all the classes.
when we have something to release/announce we will.
It will come when it comes. No sooner and no later.
 
CWTN and I plan on doing all the classes.

when we have something to announce we will no sooner no later. Things take time.

unfortunately, until there is something to announce, there will be nothing announced.

keep in mind as of today, Feb 5th 2021 mq2enchanter is still in pre-release.

Since i get this question a dozen times a day, going to lock it and pin it

I understand everyone is excited about stuff - but we aren't going to say anything until there is something to say. Ya'll are rabid fanatics!

We love and appreciate all of you tho <3 (and @MyNameIsBoring is one of the best)
 
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I know, I know.... this isn't another CWTN MQ2Bard request post. I understand that this is in the works, it will be made available when its ready, It's a difficult class to code for, and the developers have been asked this question a million times, so I am not trying to beat a dead horse here.

I play a bard as a main, but when I'm out doing missions, grinding, farming, etc... My bard takes a back seat and is usually in tow behind my Warrior, following without doing much with /melody on. I often set my entire team up on "chase", and go slaughter. All, except for the bard, who I have to control manually for the most part, to follow, etc.... and often, just have him following with /melody going, doing nothing else. If I find myself in a pulling scenario, I do it all manually anyway.

I imagine that the goal is to have an MQ2Bard plugin that is all encompassing, and amazing, like all the other plugins.

However, in the mean time, while we are all waiting for that amazing all-encompassing plugin, I would be absolutely thrilled to get my hands on a no-frills version that will simply "Manual", "Assist", "Chase".... Maybe even "Tank" (for farming trivial BS), and twist some "BYOS" songs. That way I could set my group, and be done, without having to give special attention to what the bard is doing.

I would even pay for something like this, which is why I am posting this. How possible is this?
 
lordvegga said:
I know, I know.... this isn't another CWTN MQ2Bard request post. I understand that this is in the works, it will be made available when its ready, It's a difficult class to code for, and the developers have been asked this question a million times, so I am not trying to beat a dead horse here.

I play a bard as a main, but when I'm out doing missions, grinding, farming, etc... My bard takes a back seat and is usually in tow behind my Warrior, following without doing much with /melody on. I often set my entire team up on "chase", and go slaughter. All, except for the bard, who I have to control manually for the most part, to follow, etc.... and often, just have him following with /melody going, doing nothing else. If I find myself in a pulling scenario, I do it all manually anyway.

I imagine that the goal is to have an MQ2Bard plugin that is all encompassing, and amazing, like all the other plugins.

However, in the mean time, while we are all waiting for that amazing all-encompassing plugin, I would be absolutely thrilled to get my hands on a no-frills version that will simply "Manual", "Assist", "Chase".... Maybe even "Tank" (for farming trivial BS), and twist some "BYOS" songs. That way I could set my group, and be done, without having to give special attention to what the bard is doing.

I would even pay for something like this, which is why I am posting this. How possible is this?
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Have you tried RGMercs, KissAssist, MuleAssist, Entropy, or XGen for your Bard?

I use KissAssist v12 for mine, and it's fantastic. (Sic and SLP968 have shared very nice INI files).
 
/mac kissassist assist

i built a bard ini for my bard (i also have main as bard for many years) and just let kiss do it.

I would LOVE mq2bard and mq2paladin (only 2 that are missing that are class's i play alot)
 
lordvegga said:
I know, I know.... this isn't another CWTN MQ2Bard request post. I understand that this is in the works, it will be made available when its ready, It's a difficult class to code for, and the developers have been asked this question a million times, so I am not trying to beat a dead horse here.

I play a bard as a main, but when I'm out doing missions, grinding, farming, etc... My bard takes a back seat and is usually in tow behind my Warrior, following without doing much with /melody on. I often set my entire team up on "chase", and go slaughter. All, except for the bard, who I have to control manually for the most part, to follow, etc.... and often, just have him following with /melody going, doing nothing else. If I find myself in a pulling scenario, I do it all manually anyway.

I imagine that the goal is to have an MQ2Bard plugin that is all encompassing, and amazing, like all the other plugins.

However, in the mean time, while we are all waiting for that amazing all-encompassing plugin, I would be absolutely thrilled to get my hands on a no-frills version that will simply "Manual", "Assist", "Chase".... Maybe even "Tank" (for farming trivial BS), and twist some "BYOS" songs. That way I could set my group, and be done, without having to give special attention to what the bard is doing.

I would even pay for something like this, which is why I am posting this. How possible is this?
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I clicked the link and watched the video and was so excited. hahah Not cool, funny though!
 
I have played a druid since 2001 it's not a class that you can say exactly what they are. its a hybrid class.
the question is what can they do.
buff, heal, nuke, nuke and heal at same time, debuff and heal at the same time.
snare kite kill, root kill, animal charm kill, reverse charm kill, puller, power leveler, and port.
A jack of all and master of none, but can be usefull in just about every situation. not as a best of, but as I call it , a utility belt.
able to stand behind you to help if you need an emergency heal. extra agro control. emergency evac.
while some classes shine and take all the glory, like a firefighter putting out the fire, or one dragging people out of the fire.
the druid is like the guy who hooks the hose to the truck. turns on the water, moves the ladder into position, grabs the med kit. keeps spectators out of danger.
when a druid is doing his job its looks as if he is doing nothing at all, because he is not the focus, but things just seem to run smoother. but I could just be biased.
 
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