Ragefire Ragefire - group comp question

[braedo]

Hiya,

so I just came back to ragefire after quite a few months of taking an EQ break. I started a new group from scratch - SK / Clr / SHM / ENC / ROG / WIZ. they are all in the 300-400 range for AA currently, still with basically shit gear because PoP gearing sucks without raiding, and I havent had time to do much for LDONS. starting to get some gear from GoD, but still basically blah - (tank is in Farwater for the most part)

anyways, I am thinking of changing some things around. Mainly because i feel like my wizzy is pretty meh in sustained group damage, even though burns can be nice when needed. also overall dps is low, but healing is almost too much, even with shitty gear on the shm / cleric.

so here is what I am thinking.

War / Clr / Enc / Rog / Zerk / Zerk

any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated. and I suppose I will have to start getting back into the raiding scene, so any advice there is good as well!

Thanks for looking!

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not that anyone cares, as per the replies. but I have changed my mind a bit and decided to go with War / Clr / Enc / Mnk / Zerk / Zerk. my only concern is extra heals in GoD and beyond, but I can always swap a zerker back and forth with the shaman if need be.

 

[Kyle]

You have a good set up there, I will note that Berserker's tended to be lower-dps for most of the expansions you're going to be unlocking. I'm not sure how they fair anymore. I know until SoD Monk was the top DPS melee class followed by rogue.

Anyways, what's the status of Ragefire now?

 

[levox]

I would be interested to see or hear from others from older tlps how beserkers compared. They buffed melee damage a good bit but I suppose all the other dps got the same changes increases.

I do have a 65 rogue zerker and monk that are freshly 65 so maybe I will try to put them in comparable gear and see how they stack up against each other and report back. It may take a week or so.


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[braedo]

Thanks for the replies guys. I have been keeping up on the TLP boards for the main eq site, and bobbybick, who I have raided with quite a bit, really knows his shit. so I put a lot of faith behind his opinions. and TBH I am sure rogue would have been just fine, plus the bonus of unlocking doors. but Monk and zerk are top dps from what I understand, thanks to the increase in melee they did.

As far as ragefire goes, its mostly a boxers world. not much for pickup groups - but they do exist, super quiet in the mornings (CST U.S. here) and 3 main guilds raiding top level content I believe, and they do a good job of rotating, and 1 of them I know to be mq / box friendly. there are also 2 guilds that are still in VT / PoP and offer a more casual atmosphere.

for the most part, zones are very quiet to empty, and great for boxing in. If i had more time and money, i would fire up 3 groups again and raid all by myself. 1 group is perfect for me, for the time being.

 

[Kyle]

Gotcha, I was basing my opinion on when I mained a Monk and raid lead in SoF/SoD. I remember Necros topped the parse over anyone, so I am very certain they've made adjustments since then to TLP to change all of this.

 

[SenorBlanco]

Late to the party but my 2 cents would be - War / Clr / Shm / Bard / Monk or Zerk / Monk or Zerk

Bard gives you incredible mobility/invis with Selos, overhaste, can mez, etc. Shaman will give you better melee buffs and spot healing over Enchanter. Final 2 melee dps are whatever your preference is, however, monks are VASTLY superior to zerkers (and all other dps classes) currently.

 

[braedo]

Thanks for the input, SB.

I had been using War / CLR / SHM / ENC / MNK / ZERK. but I have noticed that zerkers dont really grow to be amazing dps for another expansion or two - plus these toons aren't raid geared, so mostly underwhelmed. and since i have a max AA wiz, i have changed to a new setup for GoD and forward (for now, the wiz and zerk are on the same account and i might eventually change it back.

War / CLR / ENC / BRD / MNK / WIZ. my only real concern with this group going into GoD content is the lack of backup heals, but my cleric is my best geared toon, so that should hopefully solve most of the problem, plus adding the bard really pumps up the mana regen for the cleric and wiz. otherwise the wiz is not great at sustained dps.

 

[Synk]

My main team on Ragefire is War, Brd, Rog, Wiz, Enc, Clr and I can do everything up to 1 grouping goats in Qvic (farm all 3 ikkinz 1 group trials daily). Breado if your looking for a box friendly guild that is doing current raid content let me know, we have a lot of MQ2 power users as well who can help with your setup, can shoot me a PM for details.

 

[braedo]

thats pretty neat, mrmcgee.

at the moment I made a ranger on the bard account with thoughts of going War / Clr / Enc / Mnk / Wiz / Ranger - but it would be fun to pick your brain between the ranger and bard. I sent you a PM.

 

[spudz90]

SK / CLR / ZERK / CHANT / BST / WIZ

I run this on ragefire. life is easier with a porter right now. I get the buffage I need, and its really good dps.

 

[runordie]

9 toons seems to be efficient for me, enough power when i need it and still allows me to play group content with 6 while other 3 farm krono.

War, Brd, Rog, Wiz, Enc, Clr mainly and then Mnk, Shm, Mag as backup

 

[braedo]

9 toons seems to be efficient for me, enough power when i need it and still allows me to play group content with 6 while other 3 farm krono.

War, Brd, Rog, Wiz, Enc, Clr mainly and then Mnk, Shm, Mag as backup

This is a neat concept. Out of curiosity,do you mean you have the 3 extra rooms farming plat somewhere for krono? Or something else

 

[runordie]

This is a neat concept. Out of curiosity,do you mean you have the 3 extra rooms farming plat somewhere for krono? Or something else

basically yeah. the 3 are typically grouped somewhere specifically for the cash. thats either plat, gems, vendor trash loot or the trio is even strong enough camp some nameds. whole point of those 3 toons is to farm kronos to pay for all the toons. with those 3 dedicated to farming i can easily get 3-5 kronos a month to help out the cost of krono consumption. the 3 toons are also there to help out my other 6 with tougher content when needed.

 

[xoxo]

sk, clr, dru, mag, nec, enc

my new favorite group

 

[Jalerian]

basically yeah. the 3 are typically grouped somewhere specifically for the cash. thats either plat, gems, vendor trash loot or the trio is even strong enough camp some nameds. whole point of those 3 toons is to farm kronos to pay for all the toons. with those 3 dedicated to farming i can easily get 3-5 kronos a month to help out the cost of krono consumption. the 3 toons are also there to help out my other 6 with tougher content when needed.

What are the 3 classes? Are they mostly doing their own thing afkish? If so, any tips on where to do this? Thanks!

 

[runordie]

What are the 3 classes? Are they mostly doing their own thing afkish? If so, any tips on where to do this? Thanks!

monk shaman and mage. i put them in spots that dont require a lot of attention because im focused on my group of 6.

im on lockjaw, krono is cheaper here so i can get away with some cheaper camps but i also like farming twink items along with gems/vendor trash camps.

old seb is decent for twink items. velks, sirens, GE, is decent for cash camps with lots of mobs

 

[kett73]

I'm currently running Pal, Clr, Enc, Brd, Rog, Monk. I changed a bst for the monk because he was just disappointing in the dps department and the monk is excellent with no management. I am leveling a shaman right now to replace the enc. I think with a little extra healin I will be able to solo group qvic goats. I should have gone war instead of knight, but I have too much invested at this point to switch.

 

[braedo]

I am constantly moving things around. right now I am currently doing WAR / CLR / SHM / BRD / MNK / ZERK. overall I am really enjoying this setup.

 

[etherealmist]

If you want a group that has a lot of sustain you basically want a full/majority melee group such as:
Warrior, monk or rogue, bard, x, healer, x

The X's can be anything really, zerker, another monk or rogue, a beastlord, a ranger if you want one of those for some reason (headshot can be nice for exping/farming). Any healer would do fine, druid for ports, shaman for even more melee buffs, cleric for the best healing for harder situations. You could even sub out the warrior for any other tank.

I use a hybrid group:

Warrior, X, bard, beastlord, cleric, wizard

Wizard for ports and bigger damage than a druid, beastlord for ferocity for the 4 melee (including the pet, and the beastlord), bard...cause bards are awesome. X in this group is monk or rogue.

You could also do:

Warrior, X, bard, beastlord, cleric, druid if you wanted to have a little extra healing power. In my group, if my cleric dies, it doesn't matter what I'm doing, it's game over. It's a bit more risky for more damage. Slotting a druid in vs a wizard would give you more backup healing, and a rez for your cleric later on.

You could do a full caster style group:

SK/Paladin, Wizard, Wizard, enchanter, Cleric, Bard.

or

SK/Paladin, Wizard, Wizard, Wizard, Cleric, Bard

or

SK/Paladin, Wizard, Wizard, Druid, Cleric, Bard

Those might be kinda fun! I wouldn't recommend a warrior though for those groups, it wont be holding aggro. It might also not really matter because group mobs will get deleted in seconds.

Have fun!

 

[vivviv]

Played war, cle, enc, wiz, mag, mag
Updated replaced 2nd mage for monk to have a decent puller, FD rocks, and more sustained dmg because monks dont rely on mana.
Mobs melt in seconds.

 

[swarmhost9922]

I'm not seeing a lot of love for rogues here. That makes me sad. As far as Ragefire goes, what expansion are y'all up to now?

I remember on Fippy I ran: Rogue, Shaman, Monk, Bard, Warrior, BST -- it was quite nice because of how simple it was to get up and running.

 

[Muxx]

thats pretty neat, mrmcgee.

at the moment I made a ranger on the bard account with thoughts of going War / Clr / Enc / Mnk / Wiz / Ranger - but it would be fun to pick your brain between the ranger and bard. I sent you a PM.

im curious about this setup too. Im in a situation where im running Sk Clr Shm Mnk Zrk Brd -- The group seems semi lacking right now, so im looking to to move to something like this setup above. Hard hard time deciding, and i would love to have ports again, running around 15 to 20 minutes or longer to get setup to XP/Camp/Farm sucks, even with a bard and PoK/Magus'.

SK or Warrior
Shaman or Enchanter
Bard or Ranger
Wizard or Zerker
Monk
Cleric

Im prett set on monk and cleric as they my main solo mains.

 

[vivviv]

im curious about this setup too. Im in a situation where im running Sk Clr Shm Mnk Zrk Brd -- The group seems semi lacking right now, so im looking to to move to something like this setup above. Hard hard time deciding, and i would love to have ports again, running around 15 to 20 minutes or longer to get setup to XP/Camp/Farm sucks, even with a bard and PoK/Magus'.

SK or Warrior
Shaman or Enchanter
Bard or Ranger
Wizard or Zerker
Monk
Cleric

Im prett set on monk and cleric as they my main solo mains.

War
Enc
Ran
Wiz
Mon
Cle

 

[Fueil]

While I understand how great it is to have a porter, that extra time isn't really that big of a deal. You got magus, pok, origin, and gate pits.

I run pally, ranger, monk, enchanter, cleric, bard, and shammy outside of group for now. Before I just had my main 6, it's not the fastest killing group, but it does a lot of dmg and there's so much utility there.

 

[Muxx]

yeah i try to fit in a porter were i can, but when i have a druid or wizard i feel like my DPs is severely hampered at this expansion.

I keep flipping my Ranger/ Berserker slot. Berserker's dps is nice, ranger has nice utility however and can do great dps once you get good weapons, and headshot is always fun.

I've been also running my enchanter out of group and my shaman in main group, used to be the enchanter but as of recent expasnion shaman starting to pull ahead. I have yet to mez anything, but i have not done any ikkinz or qvic yet.

Currently going back and level my 66 warrior up to 70, letting my 70 SK take a break, trying to see if i can live without FD/Snare from my tank. Warrior definitely feels different when playing. Feels like i can take more hits and dmg even 5 levels behind my SK.

 

[braedo]

I am just about done maxxing out AA in my group - right now my Wiz and Zerker are on the same account. I like the sustained DPS of the zerker, but the Wiz is better for single target kills. so I struggle with that.

I am a big fan of automation, so I really like having the shaman /bard combo in there for solid Mezzing and manasong - and the shaman heals makes the group MUCH harder to wipe with.

Warrior is in Qvic gear with good weapons, and that makes a huge difference in aggro generation and tanking ability. My biggest concern going into OoW is how events get more and more scripted, and if I will be able to handle a full group in a raid setting. I am in a pretty casual guild, so I might have to find one that is more box friendly to help me learn that part of the EQ world.