Original MySEQ is working with TSS

[Ryzon]

For those of you starving to do anything to gain an unfair advantage in EQ right now, the original version of MySEQ is working with TSS. Note that this is the original open source version and not the pay only version hijacked by the other team.

You can download the program here.
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=10131&package_id=80983

And get the latest offsets and races.txt files found here
http://www.showeq.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5697

You'll also need .Net framework 2.0 from here
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...cb-4362-4b0d-8edd-aab15c5e04f5&displaylang=en

And probably the lastest set of TSS maps from Mapfiend
http://www.mapfiend.net

Hope this helps a little until MQ2 is fixed. At least now I can explore the new zones without getting lost.

 

[TSPlayer62]

I've had a preliminary version of MQ2 for a few days now, not sure if it's wrong to upload it though its from another pay website, if y'all say to upload it here I got no problems with err... cheating... forum admins can delete this if it's not cool and i'll apologise.

Does it say anywhere in the Precompile "COMPILED FOR SITENAMEHERE"?
If so this is illegal and needs to be taken off.

 

[grog]

Does it say anywhere in the Precompile "COMPILED FOR SITENAMEHERE"?
If so this is illegal and needs to be taken off.

illegal?

MQ2 is under the GPL. By distributing it, you are giving everyone you distribute it to full redistribution rights.

 

[battletroll]

yes the source code is open..but they are doing the work..and the code they are using is not the same code from MQ2 dev..since they have not posted. if you had consent from the poster of it IE WickedMofo..or himself posted it then would be ok..but to download and take credit for someone else work..then that is just wrong

 

[Tonka Trucks]

You are mistaken. That does not include a copy of the gpl.txt, therefore is already in violation of the GPL. No ownership of the files were claimed, but it was already established that it was taken from another site. There is no reason to argue on this point as we've argued the GPL for a long time now and its irrelevant. Also, the source-code should have been included somewhere for re-distribution purposes...why was that not there? Hmm? Because the site he stole it from doesn't have their source posted publicly either...

Stop assuming things grog. You're making me edgy.

 

[grog]

You are mistaken. That does not include a copy of the gpl.txt, therefore is already in violation of the GPL. No ownership of the files were claimed, but it was already established that it was taken from another site. There is no reason to argue on this point as we've argued the GPL for a long time now and its irrelevant. Also, the source-code should have been included somewhere for re-distribution purposes...why was that not there? Hmm? Because the site he stole it from doesn't have their source posted publicly either...

Stop assuming things grog. You're making me edgy.

hm? I haven't really assumed anything. just pointed out some facts.

I didn't actually even say I thought it should stay up, just that it was hardly illegal.

PMS much? =p

yes the source code is open..but they are doing the work..and the code they are using is not the same code from MQ2 dev..since they have not posted. if you had consent from the poster of it IE WickedMofo..or himself posted it then would be ok..but to download and take credit for someone else work..then that is just wrong

so.. you're saying... the macroquest2 they are using is completely different than what was developed by the MQ developers, who, via the gpl, require redistributableness for MQ2 and all deviants?

 

[EQManiac]

Legally the compiled or source version is required to be available to anyone and everyone no matter who compiled or modified it.

Ethically, these sites base their business from "who can provide what" and distribuitng their compiled version is cheesy at best. Cheesy, not illegal.

 

[wcfpjf]

Not to erk anyone but I really find this funny... Here is a talk about ethics on using programs created to break a user agreement??? Isn't that just umm... odd??? Sounds like some are condoning or objecting (doesnt matter to me either way) cheats who cheat the cheat created by the cheaters so they can cheat the game...

 

[LemurGuy]

never heard of honor amoungst thieves?

 

[wcfpjf]

Like i said i wasnt trying to erk anyone... I will ive trust until proven not to be able... just thouht it was funny... mostly because you "honor amoungst thieves" isnt really practiced in the streets, at least not as much as you would think it is

 

[FunWithUs]

Hmmm... Yes, it does break the end user agreement, but I consider things a bit differently.

Let's say you go to a fine dining establishment, and order a nice juicy steak. They bring it to your table with no sauce or any kind of extras. So perhaps you reach for the A1 steaksauce at your table, and they throw you out.... Why did they throw you out? Because you didn't want to eat the steak as they served it... You changed it to something else.

All I can say is, fuck Sony's EULA. After more than 7 years of shitty (almost non-existant) customer service and bugs that go unfixed, poor priorities on their part by coming out with new broken content instead of fixing old broken content... Finally someone comes out with some mq2steaksauce to make the game better... I see no foul play in this after the service and poor judgement Sony has shown.

Yes, a metaphor... Sony being the owner of the resturaunt, and EQ being the steak, and MQ2 being the steaksauce.

If MQ2 ever ends, EQ goes with it... I won't play EQ without it. In the end, the thought that comes to mind after reading this post is, who cares who the cook is... Just be glad that the sauce is there to make your steak worth eating.

 

[majin1970]

But, you're not signing or accepting a legal agreement when you order your steak. That's the huge difference. The restraunt would be allowed to throw you out if you agreed to not taint their juicy steak with a "3rd party" concoction.

 

[FunWithUs]

I'm not signing or accepting anything now either. Any agreement that is not in writing and signed is only worth the paper it's written on (ask any lawyer). What if I can't read? What if my computer has a vicious virus that rewrites my EULA saying that using MQ2 is not only acceptable, but a requirement? What if my computer has a virus that makes sony think that I am running MQ2 or some other 3rd party software? What if it wasn't me that clicked accept on the EULA they post? What if someone stole my computer or hacked my account and did bad things while logged on as me? (identity theft happens on more than just credit cards, only the credit card companies offer insurance to protect you from identity theft so you don't suffer for it). There are so many things completely out of our control in these cases, it's not adaquately covered by the EULA, and Sony arbitrarily (because we said so!) makes judgements against us without providing any evidence. By clicking accept on that, you are agreeing that you have seen their proposal. If they want a legal document that I agree to, they better get a signature, or it's only a suggestion.

Technically, even your credit card purchases are not valid without a signature. If the card isn't signed, purchases are legally invalid. If the vendor does not get a signature at the time of purchase to match to the card, then it too is invalid.

To top it off, Sony charges you for the game and then changes it without asking as well. Like when they put the level cap on fighting Nagafen and Vox (one of the gayest things that ever happened to EQ)... I paid for the game, and they changed it in ways that I didn't agree to, and was I offered my money back? To no surprise, the answer is no...

Sony revamps zones that I used to enjoy using my manastone in (old world zones), further reducing the enjoyment of my game experience.... I didn't agree to that either... Was I offered any compensation? NO!

Why can Sony make these changes? Because they didn't sign anything either.

It's like buying a car, and you like it just how it is, but the manufacturer does a recall on it because they didn't intend for the car to be painted that color... Some really stupid shit, you know what I mean?

Good faith agreements generally wind up that if it's ok for one side to do something, it is also ok for the other. Sony changes the game without asking me, so that means I can too. Granted, it might not work out that way in court, but it will never get that far, because I don't care enough to sue them over it... but I have 6 accounts, and I know many other people with many more accounts than that, and we will all give them up completely if MQ2 were to stop being produced. Sony wouldn't need to ban our accounts to lose our money... We would simply not pay anymore.

Also, if your account gets banned, make sure you contact your credit card compnay and do a chargeback for your subscription. Sony may have the right to deny your subscription renewal for violation of the EULA, but they are obligated to give you what you paid for, or refund your money. This is possibly why Sony has resorted to using suspensions rather than bannings lately... They were losing too much money that they couldn't get back.

If you are interested in getting money back on your expansions you bought, would require going to court. I would consider accusations at Sony on terms of bait and switch or even fraud. They release a game, fully advertised to be one way, and they switch it to something else after you have vested yourself in it. But again, court isn't worth it... I'd just stop paying, and quit EQ (as would most poeple) before spending money on court.

 

[Tonka Trucks]

hm? I haven't really assumed anything. just pointed out some facts.

Watch you do it right here, even though this is a question that I read to be rhetorical. And you've really stated nothing factual on this thread other than partially saying that MQ2 is under the GPL.

so.. you're saying... the macroquest2 they are using is completely different than what was developed by the MQ developers, who, via the gpl, require redistributableness for MQ2 and all deviants?

Nope. It probably will be a similar MQ2 that they will release, but I trust the MQ2 Devs more than I trust X site...thereafter, I trust myself and my team at THOP more than I trust anyone else to do my coding for me. The MacroQuest2.exe file does not change unless its from Lax himself, which is distributed under the GPL. It doesn't matter how much re-coding you do for yourself, if the core program stays the same, then anything that operates off of it is still subject to the GPL. He (Lax) doesn't really have to give out the binary to the .exe file, he's just using the GPL as a means of distribution so that someone can't copyright his work. WE are subject to the GPL for distributing it.

Anything that derives from the core program, since it is subject to the GPL, is required to be distributed with the binary to create the program as-is in the finished version with NO hidden library files (which also have to be included in .cpp form), it has to compile to the exact version that you've downloaded when compiled, and you have to provide support on it for at least 2 years of its working time.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt
And
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html

 

[Tonka Trucks]

never heard of honor amoungst thieves?

Its probably not in long-term best interests, but I could steal something from elsewhere today and we'd have MQ2. But, I'm proving a point of honor amongst thieves for like the 40th time to someone. Besides, I don't want to deal with a DMCA complaint anyway.

 

[IamBigDaddy]

Thx, Ryzon for the post.

 

[fierymomof2]

Good faith agreements generally wind up that if it's ok for one side to do something, it is also ok for the other. Sony changes the game without asking me, so that means I can too. Granted, it might not work out that way in court, but it will never get that far, because I don't care enough to sue them over it... but I have 6 accounts, and I know many other people with many more accounts than that, and we will all give them up completely if MQ2 were to stop being produced. Sony wouldn't need to ban our accounts to lose our money... We would simply not pay anymore.

I actually never thought of it this way, but you're right. My son plays EQ, and he's 9, clicks right on past the "ACCEPT" every time. According to their "EULA" an adult, or at their discretion, their minor child can play the game. But... to stretch your point out a bit further...what if I didn't use MQ2, but my son found a way to download it and use it? Clicks accept, loads up MQ2, goofs off with my toons (I'll beat his behind if I ever actually catch him doing this LOL) and bam I get ban-whacked. There's so many "what-ifs" in this digital world nowadays. But no, it's not worth taking to court over. I sat down the other day and added up all the $$ I've invested, in one way or another, in EQ over the last 5 years. I stopped counting, horrified, at $6k. Not all of that 6 g's went to SOE, mind you but the end result was still the same. And while I"m no uber 6-account, 24/7 player, I hold my own. So if I've invested that much over the span of 5 years for a game I enjoy, can you imagine what the TOP players have spent?? I think SOE would be incredibly stupid to start whacking these folks with the ban-bat.
I don't use MQ2 for ghosting, warping (well ok it does make it easier to get to my guild if i'm late for a raid but that's it), etc... so my chances are pretty slim (at THIS point) of ever getting banned. Plus, as I've said before, I'm not 100% MQ2-compatible as in I don't know how to use a lot of that stuff. I mostly use the forage macros, to filter the junk I don't want. Do you really think SOE is going to throw me for that? Not likely.
I did get into a rather heated discussion with them about a year ago over my use of the Nostromo Speedpad. I use it not only because I have Carpal Tunnel Syndrom and it makes repetitive tasks (casting, etc) much easier, but I also used it to forage. GM popped on one night, and I was afk. They suspended my account. I bitched. The EULA states no Third Party Programs. Technically, the gamepad is an adaptive device. So I was afk? Hmm could I have fell asleep, perhaps? They have no way of knowing that. I got my account back, a month's subscription paid, and a brief "form letter" apology. Never have been bothered since.
My Guild Leader loathes using MQ2, but since a good number of us in the guild uses it, his stance is "If you're stupid enough to get yourself caught, you gotta live with the consequences..just not in THIS guild."
<shrugs> Works for me.... and no, I probably wouldn't play EQ without MQ2 either.
Ok don't mind me anymore, I had minor foot surgery so I'm rambling on da good drugs lol

 

[Zulan]

that was a long a$$ post Funwithus, But i agree w/you if MQ2 went away, id stop paying for my 7 accounts too.

 

[armysoldier]

that was a long a$$ post Funwithus, But i agree w/you if MQ2 went away, id stop paying for my 7 accounts too.

i prob would too


its boring with out Mq2

/snicker

 

[[40oz]]

I'm having trouble leveling my 14 level 70 toons over 9 accounts to 75. I just don't want to play much w/o MQ2 =P

 

[Ryzon]

Well, I hope someone got some use out of this post before it got hijacked and turned into a debate about open source morality... Kind of ironic since I was just relaying the message from the original MySeq project devs who want to get the word out that they're actively developing again, and trying to spite the other MySeq group that took their project and made it pay-only. But then i guess that opens a whole other can of worms.

 

[Ferny50]

Hey Ryzon. Appreciate the information. I was a myseq fan because it had some nifty things related to the map, like the blinking "about to spawn" icons. I always thought that was really handy.

Glad to hear the devs are working on it again.

 

[Ryzon]

You've got to love how the original MySeq project devs stepped up on this one and had it working within 24 hours of TSS. FaggotTiger and Mrs. Choad were looking to release a monthly subscription service based on providing "Superior" support and they've still got nothing to show. Probably because they're too busy deleting posts on their site about the original MySeq being up. I've been using the Linux SEQ since before MQ2 and MySEQ were around. Thank you Seaxouri for keeping this thing alive and free.

 

[blade2580]

I totally agree with ya funwithus. I would stop paying for my lowly 3 accounts if I didnt have MQ2 to utilize. I hate not seeing stuff on the map and speed hack is way better than begging for sows.

 

[Roguish]

Well I'm looking for some posts I made and found this one gave me a few negative redcents, I just wanted to apologise for the little rant that went on here, like i said I would. Yes I believe in honor amongst theives. That's why I posted an ability to warp and use a damn working map a few days earlier than this site would have had. I guess I broke a rule when I didn't post the source. Now I know that no source=no post compile. Hardly a reason to take red cents from me that I would've gave to Teacher's Pet by now.

 

[flintbox]

Im new to MQ2 what dose this mq2SEQ do>?