I was playing around in TBL today and noticed that my bard wouldn't change his lamp using Relocate unless I started the process myself, then it would continue on with auto changing it. Am not certain if this has something to do with the plugin since none of my other toons had the same issue or something else you could think of.
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you were using one of these?
[Relocate]:: /relocate air, fire, and stone for Zephyr's Lamp.
and had the relocate plugin loaded?
Mq2bard isn't specifically stopping anything, but it might be if you were singing. Prolly worth pausing before trying to convert items
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iv found for the mage doing stuff that your seeking would be to change the CampRadius to something lower and see if that worked
no. you can tell by where i said
i said:
in this case, it has nothing to do with campradius, and everything to do with the things that i've explained.
Please don't give incorrect advice when the correct answer is already provided.
by and large for all the plugins for things that we're doing *to* mobs, they have to be in our campradius - so yes, for your mage to cast something on a mob, your mage has to be under the conditions for it to do so, like campradius, assistat, etc.
but as i explained that is not the case here.
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Try swapping and you'll see.
Casterdots loads the bards dots and arcane proc. Caster loads arcane and other proca and no personal dots.
As I've mentioned, I run the ___dots version on all but raid group bards, so meleedots or casterdots for all group content.
Q: What is the deal with the loadouts?
A: These get stronger the closer you are to "modern game" as many of the spell lines "modern" bards use you don't get until 70s, 80s, 90s and beyond.
tl;dr:
- Raid MT Group - use Tank Support it uses "Requiem", "Accelerando", "Spry Sonata", and "Reckless Renewal"
- Raid/Group caster group - use casterdots for personal dmg, caster for no dots (sic uses casterdots)
- Raid/Group melee group - use meleedots for personal dmg, melee for no dots (sic uses meleedots)
Quick question , not sure if its been asked or not , but does Bard loadout < meleeDots/melee > add in the stormblade line for group melee procks. if not is there a way to get it to sing it with in the rotation. its a lvl 69 song and in the line we dont see an upgrade to it till 89 (i think. im still a noob bard)
I'll look at adding those. unfortunately a perfect example of a spell line that blips into existence and then disappears, - even tho it differs a bit, i'm going to put these 3 into "Suffering" spell gorup
which does *nothing* for spells the plugin doesn't know how to use.Do what I do and turn of ST and AoE mez and use those slots for songs you want to use
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What a gift of a plugin!! Thanks guys for the hard work.
Running it on 2 different bards in 2 different groups and so far all the load outs seem to be doing what is intended. The only issue i am having is with clickies, nothing new as the greyed out spell bar has been the bane of my bards for a long time. My epic, Rapier and Bp seem to fire fine with no issues in combat but often my bards click Necromantic Dragon Bone or Bottled Essence of Vex or Drums of the Warlord or Diplomatic Papers or Lute of the Wanderer and my spell bar gets greyed out and i have to camp out and restart. It seems to be happening more with the plug in then it did with my KA. I have removed all of them from my clickies list and it is no longer locking up so i am guessing it is one of those.
Not a big deal was just wondering if i am doing something wrong or have something set wrong. Thanks again guys and now all my toons are one big happy family!
Running it on 2 different bards in 2 different groups and so far all the load outs seem to be doing what is intended. The only issue i am having is with clickies, nothing new as the greyed out spell bar has been the bane of my bards for a long time. My epic, Rapier and Bp seem to fire fine with no issues in combat but often my bards click Necromantic Dragon Bone or Bottled Essence of Vex or Drums of the Warlord or Diplomatic Papers or Lute of the Wanderer and my spell bar gets greyed out and i have to camp out and restart. It seems to be happening more with the plug in then it did with my KA. I have removed all of them from my clickies list and it is no longer locking up so i am guessing it is one of those.
Not a big deal was just wondering if i am doing something wrong or have something set wrong. Thanks again guys and now all my toons are one big happy family!
that's an eqbug unfortunately - I strongly recommend not using just any clicky you can.
I have 2 or 3 100% repeatable ways to bug out bards (manually without mq) - different patches changes that number lol
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I noticed that if I'm in chase mode, and have the bard cast Shaurii's clouding so I can move my group around invis, that the bard will break his own invis to keep songs (buffs) going. I have no aggro or threat on xtar. No other classes will break invis if there are no threats from what I have seen. Thoughts?
we sure don't do that.
This is designed exactly like how all the other plugins are designed. Stuff to memorize spells, or sing stuff automatically is done after checking invis / camp set check
I would double check a: how you're tossing invis (use /brd aainvis) and b: that you don't have any other automation / twist etc doing stuff.
due to how bards work, if > you < are tossing your invis (like pressing the button or calling it directly with a hotkey etc), you might be singing a song WHILE you toss your invis, which will break it - this amounts to behavior that is conflicting with automation - just use the command to invis yourself.
but no, if you don't have a camp we don't break invis to keep buffs going (outside of going to melee an enemy)
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Thanks Sic! I added a /stopsong prior to the /brd aainvis (was having it do an /alt activate 231 before). This took care of the issue.
Appreciate the lightning fast support!
Appreciate the lightning fast support!
no. there is no need to add a stopsong at all. in fact, unless the song you're talking about is being used by some other automation, you're likely hurting yourself. We already do a stopsong when we /brd aainvis AFTER we say "our intention is to invis here so stop doing stuff and dont' start again until we're no longer invis"
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I'm loving MQ2Bard so far and have no real issues with it. I do, however, have one question (I'm new to bards and still levelling mine, who has just reached 120, so please be patient if this is a dumb question!).
When I start her up she plays War March, among other songs. This is all good except that I don't really want a continuous stream of "The war march fills you with bloodlust" while I am afk in the guild hall so I tried " "/twist off" and it stopped it.
Now my question is actually 2 questions! I am not even running MQ2Twist and I think MQ2Bard has it's own routine anyway, so I'm not sure why "/twist off" would work! Second, am I causing any issues by doing this? I don't see any and all seems fine when I zone to do exp ... but thought I'd ask.
Hope the question is clear - as I say, it's not an issue for me at all - I'm just one of those people who likes to understand! Thanks
When I start her up she plays War March, among other songs. This is all good except that I don't really want a continuous stream of "The war march fills you with bloodlust" while I am afk in the guild hall so I tried " "/twist off" and it stopped it.
Now my question is actually 2 questions! I am not even running MQ2Twist and I think MQ2Bard has it's own routine anyway, so I'm not sure why "/twist off" would work! Second, am I causing any issues by doing this? I don't see any and all seems fine when I zone to do exp ... but thought I'd ask.
Hope the question is clear - as I say, it's not an issue for me at all - I'm just one of those people who likes to understand! Thanks
we don't use mq2twist - so doing a /twist off doesn't do anything for mq2bardI'm loving MQ2Bard so far and have no real issues with it. I do, however, have one question (I'm new to bards and still levelling mine, who has just reached 120, so please be patient if this is a dumb question!).
When I start her up she plays War March, among other songs. This is all good except that I don't really want a continuous stream of "The war march fills you with bloodlust" while I am afk in the guild hall so I tried " "/twist off" and it stopped it.
Now my question is actually 2 questions! I am not even running MQ2Twist and I think MQ2Bard has it's own routine anyway, so I'm not sure why "/twist off" would work! Second, am I causing any issues by doing this? I don't see any and all seems fine when I zone to do exp ... but thought I'd ask.
Hope the question is clear - as I say, it's not an issue for me at all - I'm just one of those people who likes to understand! Thanks
if you don't want mq2bard to do mq2bard stuff, you can pause it or unload it.
we also wouldn't be twisting a song that stays up on you in the guild hall.
it really sounds like you have mq2twist loaded and have asked mq2twist to twist stuff for you
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Also, you're correct, we do have our own method of playing songs. I found the existing options to be insufficient and lacked the level of control we needed when we initially started working on bard, so we went about implementing our own method of playing songs that is built into the plugin directly. This gives us a much more granular level of control over what is played and when without the need to use a /melody or /twist type system. The songs played in MQ2Bard are not done as a series of songs, but instead are selected dynamically throughout the running of the plugin. Even I couldn't tell you what songs are played in what specific order, but that is because on every pulse the plugin itself decides which song should be played based on various different considerations at the time the plugin pulses. This means that the plugin should be playing the song needed based on loadout, memorized songs, situation (in combat, out of combat, the need for mez etc) without the user needing to select anything specific. This was something you couldn't get with twist or melody or any other method of playing songs that already existed that I am aware of. This is one of the reasons that bard took us a bit longer than other plugins to flesh out.I'm loving MQ2Bard so far and have no real issues with it. I do, however, have one question (I'm new to bards and still levelling mine, who has just reached 120, so please be patient if this is a dumb question!).
When I start her up she plays War March, among other songs. This is all good except that I don't really want a continuous stream of "The war march fills you with bloodlust" while I am afk in the guild hall so I tried " "/twist off" and it stopped it.
Now my question is actually 2 questions! I am not even running MQ2Twist and I think MQ2Bard has it's own routine anyway, so I'm not sure why "/twist off" would work! Second, am I causing any issues by doing this? I don't see any and all seems fine when I zone to do exp ... but thought I'd ask.
Hope the question is clear - as I say, it's not an issue for me at all - I'm just one of those people who likes to understand! Thanks
All that to say, no we don't use twist, the twist command is specific to MQ2Twist, and thus using the command would change nothing that MQ2Bard is deciding to do. Which means that what Sic said above is correct, and that it's more than likely a situation where you have something else manipulating MQ2Twist (be it a hotkey, or another form of automation) that conflicts with the behavior of MQ2Bard. We've not prevented the use of MQ2Twist at this time to allow users to pause the plugin and use MQ2Twist in a "manual" fashion to accomplish something without the use of MQ2Bard.
I hope this clarifies the situation regarding MQ2Twist.
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Thanks, Sic (and CWTN). Yes, it's not an MQ2Bard thing quite clearly, because it keeps going even when I pause the plugin. MQ2Twist is definitely not loaded so it must be something else. I'll need to do some digging! However, it's not the plugin so won't clutter this thread with it an further!
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
well. the "the war march fills you" can just be the last song you're playing --- bards will just have their song bar grey'd out as it is pulsing which is totally normal
if you don't actually see your casting bar popup i wouldn't be trying to hunt down anything.
click on your spell bar, if it ungreys and stays like that, it is just cause that's the last song you were singing
if you don't actually see your casting bar popup i wouldn't be trying to hunt down anything.
click on your spell bar, if it ungreys and stays like that, it is just cause that's the last song you were singing
Yes, it may be normal and just my inexperience with bards! It's interesting to me that I can fully unload MQ2Bard and click War March off and it just pops up again (I didn't expect that). I have a workaround though - I just camp and come back in, pausing MQ2Bard before it starts singing War Song. Anyway, as I say, I have cluttered this thread enough already. I am grateful to both you and CWTN for your patience with me, though!
just click your grey'd song bar to stop a song that is "held"
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To be clear, "holding" a song is not an MQ thing. It's an EQ thing. As a bard, without any external software, you can start a song and on successful cast it'll just continue to play it until you turn it off. So this isn't something to be concerned about.
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Hello all, I have a question. I took my bard out to do some farming of tradeskill mats and put her on
/pause 10,/bct mybardname //twist off
/pause 10,/bct mybardname //alt act 3704
/pause 20,/bct mybardname //alt act 231
/pause 10,/bca //g Standing Down
Lately I have had to press this hotkey twice to get all of my guys invised, but before MQ2Bard came out, it would do it on one press.
Starhack can you please teach me your group bard invis hotkey? I've been using:
/pause 10,/bct mybardname //twist off
/pause 10,/bct mybardname //alt act 3704
/pause 20,/bct mybardname //alt act 231
/pause 10,/bca //g Standing Down
Lately I have had to press this hotkey twice to get all of my guys invised, but before MQ2Bard came out, it would do it on one press.
No, there is no need to overcomplicate anything, in fact, trying to do so can and will hurt you - as i pointed out in this thread to starhack
from commands tab:
/brd AAInvis - Use "Shauri's Sonorous Clouding"
from faq:
Q: Do I need to pause to invis / do anything special?
A: Nope, not at all. just /brd AAInvis.
so you can either:
or if you wanted ALL bards to do it
or if you're lazy
This is the actual hotkey i use on my driver
this says "since i'm a shadowknight using mq2eskay, let's make sure i'm in mode 0 since i want to move - have all the bards connected to dannet group "brd" exeucute a /brd aainvis"
you could have it toss a fresh selos if you wanted
from commands tab:
/brd AAInvis - Use "Shauri's Sonorous Clouding"
from faq:
Q: Do I need to pause to invis / do anything special?
A: Nope, not at all. just /brd AAInvis.
so you can either:
/dex bardname /brd aainvisor if you wanted ALL bards to do it
/dg brd /brd aainvisor if you're lazy
/dg all /brd aainvis (this will have everyone attempt to /brd aainvis)This is the actual hotkey i use on my driver
this says "since i'm a shadowknight using mq2eskay, let's make sure i'm in mode 0 since i want to move - have all the bards connected to dannet group "brd" exeucute a /brd aainvis"
you could have it toss a fresh selos if you wanted
/dge brd /multiline ; /alt act 3704; /timed 5 /brd aainvisOne thing that initially messed me up but is listed in the breaking invis sections of faq's is the need to be in a mode that doesn't have a camp. That has been mentioned in multiple places but is often not mentioned in direct responses that say to use the "/brd aainvis".
I was running a bard solo in mode 7 (sic tank mode) doing some trivial mats farming and noticed that "/brd aainvis" would immediately get broken as I moved around. I just added in the hotkey to set him in manual mode first and issues all went away.
I was running a bard solo in mode 7 (sic tank mode) doing some trivial mats farming and noticed that "/brd aainvis" would immediately get broken as I moved around. I just added in the hotkey to set him in manual mode first and issues all went away.
that is because that is how all of the plugins have worked for the past ~5 years. it doesn't differ from any of the other plugins at all in this regard
it is actually in the bard FAQ twice (doh)
Q: How can I get it to break invis to do stuff
A: We will break invis if a camp is set - So Assist mode would break invis to do stuff, where-as Manual mode would not. If you want to break invis in a mode like ChaseAssist, turn on usemelee/useranged.
Q. How can I get it to break invis to do stuff?
A. MQ2Bard will break invis if a camp is set, or if it was going to engage in melee - so mode 1 would break invis to do stuff, where mode 0 would not.
it is also in the chart in the sticky.
but yep, for sure, if you're in a mode with a camp, we'll break invis to do stuff 100%
I didn't mention it for starhack because he specifically said he's in chase, which doesn't have a camp and which doesn't break invis to cast stuff (outside of if being called to melee) which is why i actually *specifically* included the part about camps breaking invis in the reply.
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