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Request - Griklor Raid Help
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eqsubi15
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Yeah, I had similar experience in group mission. One thing on the raid I see being problematic is having whichever toon run under Grik when their name is called. Not sure if it's possible to have that automated in some way, or just easier to have the entire raid force following underneath.
The sticking to him when he’s in the air is an issue with the macros you’re running
Or plugins
all cwtn plugins will switch with ma if either you are :a a non-castery type toon (zerk, monk, rogue, bst etc) with switchwithma turned on, or b: a castery toon (enc, mag, shm, etc) --- you just have your ma target themselves and/or clear their target
[CODE lang="ini" title="MQ2 Event Using Dannet and CWTN Plugin"][GriklorChase]
trigger=#*#roars and points at #*#|${Me}|#*#
command=/multiline ; /docommand /${Me.Class.ShortName} pause 1 ; /timed 3 /foreground ; /timed 6 /nav id ${Spawn[Griklor].ID} ; /timed 10 /docommand /${Me.Class.ShortName} pause 1 ; /timed 15 /target griklor ; /timed 26 /stick id ${Spawn[Griklor].ID} 3 ; /timed 125 /stick off ; /timed 130 /docommand /${Me.Class.ShortName} pause 0 ; /timed 135 /nav id ${Group.MainAssist.ID}[/CODE] I make use of the /foreground command a lot when boxing multiple groups in raid setting.
trigger=#*#roars and points at #*#|${Me}|#*#
command=/multiline ; /docommand /${Me.Class.ShortName} pause 1 ; /timed 3 /foreground ; /timed 6 /nav id ${Spawn[Griklor].ID} ; /timed 10 /docommand /${Me.Class.ShortName} pause 1 ; /timed 15 /target griklor ; /timed 26 /stick id ${Spawn[Griklor].ID} 3 ; /timed 125 /stick off ; /timed 130 /docommand /${Me.Class.ShortName} pause 0 ; /timed 135 /nav id ${Group.MainAssist.ID}[/CODE] I make use of the /foreground command a lot when boxing multiple groups in raid setting.
but that's not a failure of the plugin/macro/automation if your person/character designated as MA doesn't do what they're supposed to do
one of the amazing things with boxhud can double click on your dude's name and it will foreground that toon
I agree if that were the only thing I was dealing with (and believe me, I'm not trying to rag on the plugins...really!). Here's a story I can relate from last night. Griklor raid. Heavily boxed all around. For me, specifically: ENC, SK, MAG, CLR, SHM, and BST. All using CWTN. All of them in Vorpal mode. All of them set to the same raid MA. All except ENC with UseMelee on. SK and BST have SwitchWithMA turned on. All set to a CampRadius of 90. If there are other configurations, you are interested in knowing about, let me know. All have this defined in their events config (CLR doesn't call pet off):
[CODE lang="ini" title="How I handle Griklor running"][Griklor Retreats]
trigger=#*#Griklor lets out a tuneless whistle#*#
command=/multiline ; /pet back; /target clear; /timed 7 /attack off[/CODE]
Grik drops, first round of beat down, Grik hops back on the mount. It's the first drop and the MA switches over to the dervish in camp quickly. I do a quick check to make sure each of the characters isn't trying to auto follow Grik. MAG and SHM are in camp as I would hope. SK, BST, and CLR have to be reigned in. It takes a couple cycles of manually turning attack off and pulling them back to get them to redirect. I run three monitors with two characters each; the MAG/SHM are on the same monitor, I can see one of them (whichever happens to be up on that monitor) engaging the dervish.
Sometimes, but not often, I do forget to have SwitchWithMA on. But even when I fix it, it still happens. Eventually, I just pause the plugins for everyone as soon as Grik hops on the mount. And this presents a problem in that I really need the CLR active for heals and dealing with the dots. I guess what puzzles me most is why it's inconsistent. I almost never have to worry about the MAG or SHM. Often I have to worry about the other three with melee on. I've played with the /timed value (all from not having it up to a value of 10). The only thing I haven't tried yet is briefly pausing the plugin.
"i forget to have switchwithma on" that's probably half your problem --- the shm, ench, mag etc you can't turn this off, so they're always switching with the ma - the other problem is probably - if your ma regains a target because they took damage from something - then, of course, the assist toons are going to assist because they've been given a target. which is why i recommend clearing your target and then targeting yourself - so now they won't be re-given a target by your MA targetting something it is hit by.
also keep in mind, if for some reason you have some toons not in raid mode, and other toons in raid mode with raid assist assigned, you're going to have half toons trying to assist off of 1 person, and half toons running off of another.
you should consider adjusting your events. there are many many many people who run these events with the plugins.
the switchwithma thing doesn't just "decide not to work" - but i'm happy to take a look if you can create a repeatable situation (that i can test, not in a raid with multi groups etc) where switchwithma doesn't clear your target if your MA clears and/or targets themselves.
it sounds like some modifying of how you're doing things will fix you up.
but a passive-aggressive (intended or otherwise) "or plugins" is so unhelpful to anyone i can't emphasize it enough.
any time you're looking specifically for a toon to not do the things they're trying to do - assist someone, do moving, casting buffing etc - like you mentioned pausing them would be the correct thing to do. for the melee toons you can also just manual mode them and clear their target / target themselves until it is time that you want them to start doing things automatically again.
being able to quickly manage your team is just as important as the tools that they are using for their automation. I would consider setting up some additional hotkeys to have everyone go manual mode, and possibly target themselves - this would allow your cleric to still heal, but since everyone is now in manual mode, with their target cleared, they wouldn't be chasing anyone or attacking anyone and would require you to pause anyone.
hopefully some other folks can share their events with you, and resolve your issues/concerns.
but again, if you're able to reliably replicate the issue in a setting that is reproducible, i'm happy to take a look at it - because if your designated ma has no target, or is targeting themselves, and you have switchwithma on or you are one of the classes that you can't turn on switchwithma - you absolutely shouldn't still be on the mob.
I would personally leave switchwithma on full time, and only toggle it off / turn it off when you need/want to
/cwtnra switchwithma ongood luck
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Have boxed this raid with 2 people running 18 chars. I run 12 of them in 2 groups. All running CWTN plugs except Bard n Wiz.
Raid MA is in manual mode, rest are in Vorpal. The way I manage my 11 toons , is via 3 buttons and 1 event.
First button, is ‘BC Kill This’. The button forces ALL my guys to acquire my target (/dgre /target id ${Target.ID}. and /dgre /attack on). When Griklor flies into the air, I target myself using the F1 key and hit this BC kill button to clear my team’s target.
Second button, is ‘BC Come to Me’. The standard garden variety broadcast come to me. I issue this command early and often. I check my map to make sure teams are huddled around me.
Third button, is ‘BC Bethun’. Dannet Raid channel, /dgra /nav id ${Spawn[Bethun].ID}
First Event, is Griklor points at. Plenty of working examples here. This event pauses and unpauses the actor only (I never pause otherwise)
Like Wayne Gretzky, you have to skate to where the puck is gunna be, not where it is. Anticipate where Griklor will be when he makes his call to minimise the distance your toons have to jog to get under him. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Hustle to Bethun quickly. Really quickly. Everyone.
Wait till Griklor calls a name before running to engage the dervishes, so you aren’t issuing conflicting commands. That is , attack this thing , oh no , get under Griklor, wait I said attack this thing. That will be tears.
The CWTN plugins work brilliantly. Raids are about control. Learn how to control your army in dynamic and fluid situations. If you bring a Gary Grouper static camp mentality, with skills honed at the Sarnak Fort in FM, then you will have a tough time of it.
Raid MA is in manual mode, rest are in Vorpal. The way I manage my 11 toons , is via 3 buttons and 1 event.
First button, is ‘BC Kill This’. The button forces ALL my guys to acquire my target (/dgre /target id ${Target.ID}. and /dgre /attack on). When Griklor flies into the air, I target myself using the F1 key and hit this BC kill button to clear my team’s target.
Second button, is ‘BC Come to Me’. The standard garden variety broadcast come to me. I issue this command early and often. I check my map to make sure teams are huddled around me.
Third button, is ‘BC Bethun’. Dannet Raid channel, /dgra /nav id ${Spawn[Bethun].ID}
First Event, is Griklor points at. Plenty of working examples here. This event pauses and unpauses the actor only (I never pause otherwise)
Like Wayne Gretzky, you have to skate to where the puck is gunna be, not where it is. Anticipate where Griklor will be when he makes his call to minimise the distance your toons have to jog to get under him. A broken clock is right twice a day.
Hustle to Bethun quickly. Really quickly. Everyone.
Wait till Griklor calls a name before running to engage the dervishes, so you aren’t issuing conflicting commands. That is , attack this thing , oh no , get under Griklor, wait I said attack this thing. That will be tears.
The CWTN plugins work brilliantly. Raids are about control. Learn how to control your army in dynamic and fluid situations. If you bring a Gary Grouper static camp mentality, with skills honed at the Sarnak Fort in FM, then you will have a tough time of it.
I have a group of people that do this event. I 30 box and a few other 6 box.
I modified my Follow me button to do raid follow me instead of group if I am in a raid. Super helpful if you need to move people with a sludge hammer. Chase works like 99% of the time. I’ve found that the come to me and follow me buttons are great and leaving people in Vorpal mode is the key to most raids so far.
As for CWTN and Sic’s plugins, you have to use aliases and /status if you want to be quick. My only grip is that 100 is a short range on some raids. Would be nice to get that to go to 200 to 250 for some of the casters who need to hide to block ae’s.
Hylander is correct it’s all about control.
I modified my Follow me button to do raid follow me instead of group if I am in a raid. Super helpful if you need to move people with a sludge hammer. Chase works like 99% of the time. I’ve found that the come to me and follow me buttons are great and leaving people in Vorpal mode is the key to most raids so far.
As for CWTN and Sic’s plugins, you have to use aliases and /status if you want to be quick. My only grip is that 100 is a short range on some raids. Would be nice to get that to go to 200 to 250 for some of the casters who need to hide to block ae’s.
Hylander is correct it’s all about control.
100?
if you mean the campradius. your campradius can be 9999+ /mag campradius 9999 - it UI stops at 100 because it is less likely that someone would type in a giant number. but yeah, you can change it to more than 100. you could try it
