I was wondering if you can use Kissassist and CWTN at the same time or, are you bound to using one or the other? I have only used Kissassist, but it seems (watching Sic's Vids) that CWTN might have a distinct advantage over kissassit. I am still a newb and am just trying to learn through the posts of others and by watching SIC's Vids as he makes it look so easy. Thanks for your responses as I look forward to a productive and powerful team.
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Question - Can You Use Kissassist and CWTN
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they are both character automation software. using both will give you conflicting behavior. there isn't much advantage/use to running additional combat automation on top of the cwtn plugins.
some folks will use a blank kiss ini with usemelee turned off (because the cwtn plugins unload mq2melee due to aforementioned conflicting behavior) to do out-of-group-assisting - because we currently don't have out of group assisting built-in (outside of raid). a large combat macro is pretty overkill for this, but many folks are familiar with kiss and it works for them.
with macros you can only run 1 at a time, but because the cwtn stuff are all plugins, you can run plugins and a macro at the same time. This is very nice when you want to run the overseer macro while out doing your normal stuff, for example.
but other than that, you can and will have conflicting behavior if you try and have another combat macro/plugin run on top of if it. it is wholly unnecessary and you're going to give yourself more headache than it's worth.
You can always /testcopy your toons and give the CWTN plugins a try out on the test server, they are included with your VV lvl 2.
Definitely give the cwtn videos a watch - especially the "how i move my toons around" - they're all in my signature. (obviously you said you did)
tl;dr - don't
I run multiple grps and a mixture of CWTN and KA and I've found I don't really need to use both KA and CWTN. One or the other is fine.
I am a huge fan of CWTN plugins. They are especially great if you don't know the class very well and you want an out of the box toon.
If you know a class really well, and have a particular style then KA may give you a little more flexibility.
SIC is correct - if you try to complicate things too much its going to give u a headache!
I am a huge fan of CWTN plugins. They are especially great if you don't know the class very well and you want an out of the box toon.
If you know a class really well, and have a particular style then KA may give you a little more flexibility.
SIC is correct - if you try to complicate things too much its going to give u a headache!
yeah as an example, someone just posted in the shaman thread asking about chain sit/standing memorizing - and it appears they were using a conflicting macro (i could tell because of the spell casting output which is from something else). Fortunately that screenshot had that information as well, otherwise i'd be spending back and forth all morning trying to assist with an issue that is unrelated to mq2shaman 
Kiss requires some knowledge of the class, or finding a prebuilt INI someone else built, and loading it independantly every time. add on you can only run one mac at a time. So if ur running kiss, you cannot run overseer mac or anything else.
CWTN plugins simplify the whole thing. All ya need to know is in the page for plugin. Log in toon and /plugin CWTNPluginName load. and know which setting you want (sic tank/Tank for tanks. assist/chase for all others) and start killing.
with Kiss you will have to mod the ini as you level. With CWTN its all right there. they take all the complicated stuff out and leave you ready to enjoy the game
)Thanks for all the info! Appreciate Very Much!!
Is CWTN a download or part of Very Vanilla?Thanks for all the info! Appreciate Very Much!!
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I am CWTN. They are a reference to my plugins and not to a specific plugin. Each of my plugins are class specific. Such as MQ2Berzerker, MQ2Eskay, etc. When someone says "CWTN Plugin" they are meaning a plugin Sic and I have created. I see you posted a review to the CWTNCommons, which is the libarary of functions shared across all of my class plugins. This is so that all of the plugin act exactly the same in their various modes. The class plugins themselves are a paid resource and don't come with Very Vanilla with the caveat that while the plugins are in beta testing that they are made available for free to anyone with level 2 of Redguides. For example, currently MQ2Shaman and MQ2Enchanter come with Very Vanilla and anyone can use them. But once they are out of beta they too will have the customary fee associated with their use.
All of the CWTN class plugins are free on test. This allows you to test all of my plugins without paying anything. If someone wanted they could use them free forever on test. To use with your existing characters on the test server you can use the /testcopy command in game to copy your existing toons to the test server and load as many of the class plugins as you'd like to try.
All of the CWTN class plugins are free on test. This allows you to test all of my plugins without paying anything. If someone wanted they could use them free forever on test. To use with your existing characters on the test server you can use the /testcopy command in game to copy your existing toons to the test server and load as many of the class plugins as you'd like to try.
As CTWN said. but honestly i run almsot full group of his plugins. just waiting on Paly and bard and i will be running his exclusively for primary group.
His class plugins actually helped make the game more enjoyable at a time i was beginning to loose that joy
noob question here, just starting to look at these plug-ins. I currently use kissassist for mage, berserker, enchanter, cleric, beast lord and then manually run my paladin. I’m pretty comfortable running this set up. But wanting the give CWTN plugins a go for one of the 5 I have running kissassist. How would I do this and how should that toon communicate with the rest of the group if that character isn’t running kissassist? Would I just load the CWTN plungin (and not run kissassist). and the toon will just function in the group?
I’m sure the answer is somewhere in the forum, but for the life of me, I cannot find it.
Thanks in advance.
I’m sure the answer is somewhere in the forum, but for the life of me, I cannot find it.
Thanks in advance.
Correct, just not load the macro on the toon u are running the plugin on. It doesnt care what anyone else is running, just what it is doing.
Just make sure you have mainassist and maintank assigned like normal and good to go.
Check out the how i move my toons link in my signature, i show a group with cwtn plugins and kissassist on my bard
well i have to run a combo of Kiss and cwtn as he hasnt released his paladin yet.
i connect all clients to the eqbc server (3 computers) and /plugin mq2cleric load (or zerk, rogue, chanter, shm, etc)
i (personally) go in and turn off the clerics melee. for all others i set assist at 99, switch with ma, (on ones im using 2 of same class) use alliance. and i do it via comands so it saves it. IE /zerk SwitchWithMa on.
on driving toon i have 2 hotkeys setup. 1 turning everything on, 1 pausing/turning things to manual.
/bct zerkname1 //zerk mode 1
/bct clericname //clr mode 1
/bct bstname //bst mode 1
/bct paladinname //mac kissassist Tank
/bct zerkname2 //zerkmode 1
that sets everyone to fight(starts kiss on tank) dont forget to set tank as MA
I drive with my bard, so i have that on bard
i connect all clients to the eqbc server (3 computers) and /plugin mq2cleric load (or zerk, rogue, chanter, shm, etc)
i (personally) go in and turn off the clerics melee. for all others i set assist at 99, switch with ma, (on ones im using 2 of same class) use alliance. and i do it via comands so it saves it. IE /zerk SwitchWithMa on.
on driving toon i have 2 hotkeys setup. 1 turning everything on, 1 pausing/turning things to manual.
/bct zerkname1 //zerk mode 1
/bct clericname //clr mode 1
/bct bstname //bst mode 1
/bct paladinname //mac kissassist Tank
/bct zerkname2 //zerkmode 1
that sets everyone to fight(starts kiss on tank) dont forget to set tank as MA
I drive with my bard, so i have that on bard
for doing multiples with kiss and 1 with plugin, i would say do cleric plugin as it TOTALLLY rocks.
/bct toon1 //mac kissassist Tanksname
/bct cleric //clr mode 1
repeat for other toons
as for getting it, you buy it and click flag so it shows up under VV patcher, install it. log into game and /plugin mq2(classname) load
/bct toon1 //mac kissassist Tanksname
/bct cleric //clr mode 1
repeat for other toons
as for getting it, you buy it and click flag so it shows up under VV patcher, install it. log into game and /plugin mq2(classname) load
Check out the how i move my toons vid and my hotkeys, might simplify your hotkeys (tho totes nothing wrong with those)
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I don't think that's what' being discussed. The question is in regards to running both things on the same character, at the same time. Doing so should be avoided. Having a 6 box group, each character using a different combat routine automation solution, is perfectly fine.
he is wanting to convert one of his 5 over to CWTN.
Yes the original post was about runing both at same time. but azerack asked a similar but different question
But this is why this forums is soo great. There are a bunch of us that want to help. so any question asked will always get an answer or two or three, and most of the time multiple ways to do it
The question regarding running kissassist and cwtn on the same toon. I have mq2 cleric, bst, shd, and zerker and enchanter for the most part I like the plugins and would recommend for your alts but not your main if want drive him I only use the chanter plugin for a totally automated grp. I run my cwtn toons with a blank kissassist ini with matching values in general section and and click back to camp on in the AFK section. Cause I want my toons to act independent cause I was having to go to toon to accept Rez and click back to fellowship seems to work fine that way for me. Note I also have mq2enchanter I tried driving my main with plugin but don't like it cwtn will take control of my main in a ohshit situation and I was not in control of my chanter in manual mode I don't care for that I have been playing a chanter for 20 yrs and would not have handled that CC situation as the plugin did in the situation I refer grp had four adds I was trying to AoE mezz but plugin took control and single mezzed the mobs one at a time, I like to cast my AoE mezz in that situation to stop combat cause if mezz is broken I only have maybe one to two mobs to deal with also the cleric went down first the sk drew agro of the four mobs he go down so now no healer no tank I am spamming my AoE mezz but I have to wait for plugin to finish single mezzing then I was able to memblur mobs and corpse recover lol
the plugins are for automating toons, not "i main drive this character and want to do things myself"
also please don't bump threads from super long ago with stuff that wasn't really a part of the main thread or question
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