Question - Building Groups and eventually Raids

[tomahawkeer]

I currently have a base / main group consisting of 6 level 115 toons(SK, BRD, CLR, SHM,MAG, WIZ). I also have a 114 BST less than 10% from 115, a 100 heroic BER, a level 99 wizard, and an almost complete group of 85s (PAL, WAR, CLR, DRU, ENC).

I am toying with the idea of eventually being able to run full raids for myself so im trying to get int a rhythm of leveling up characters to get them raid ready. Am I best off removing 1 toon from my main group and adding a level 90+ to essentially PL to 100-105 ish, then level up the rest of the characters in balanced groups once they are 100-105? How many toons should I be shooting for to fill a raid, since they max out at 54. Im doing this withy FTP accounts fyi, so i know current content is out of the question (I will krono eventually to passed AA limitations), but I am thinking older content to start with. FYI, I have also started some lower characters currently under 20, however, I figure they can level fairly quickly as needed to eventually fill up multiple groups in the future for 115ish level raid content.

Any suggestions in building up to raiding content would be greatly appreciated. My goal is to eventually have multiple toons of every class available to use for raids or simple group content as necessary.

 

[Sic]

I currently have a base / main group consisting of 6 level 115 toons(SK, BRD, CLR, SHM,MAG, WIZ). I also have a 114 BST less than 10% from 115, a 100 heroic BER, a level 99 wizard, and an almost complete group of 85s (PAL, WAR, CLR, DRU, ENC).

I am toying with the idea of eventually being able to run full raids for myself so im trying to get int a rhythm of leveling up characters to get them raid ready. Am I best off removing 1 toon from my main group and adding a level 90+ to essentially PL to 100-105 ish, then level up the rest of the characters in balanced groups once they are 100-105? How many toons should I be shooting for to fill a raid, since they max out at 54. Im doing this withy FTP accounts fyi, so i know current content is out of the question (I will krono eventually to passed AA limitations), but I am thinking older content to start with. FYI, I have also started some lower characters currently under 20, however, I figure they can level fairly quickly as needed to eventually fill up multiple groups in the future for 115ish level raid content.

Any suggestions in building up to raiding content would be greatly appreciated. My goal is to eventually have multiple toons of every class available to use for raids or simple group content as necessary.

there are some very strongly needed fundamentals to have a good handle on going this route.

Team management -> controlling them to do what you need when you need - controlling them on the fly and being adjustable/adaptable.
- things like hotkeys, and Lua scripts for setting up things and changing settings.
- knowing how to utilize saved nav waypoints
- knowing how to utilize dannet groups

Understanding redundancy, necessary and "what butters your bread".
- not having enough bards = pain
- not having enough shaman = pain
- not having the right amount of paladins = pain

Being able to understand and utilize things like LEM, or writing Lua scripts to handle the specific needs of specific raid events.

Understanding that you're going to fail spectacularly and frustratingly, over and over and over and over.

you have a tall order going from "i almost have a full group of 115s (max level will be 125 in less than 2 months) and not max AA or gear'd, no 18/19 gear, no current progression (leaving mount and familiar on the table), likely no jann's veil, and other stuff.

I'd focus on getting your g1 pimped out, and work on getting a g2 caught up to group 1 and then build from there.

your experience would almost certainly be better if you had a buddy or two that was looking to do the same thing.

 

[tomahawkeer]

there are some very strongly needed fundamentals to have a good handle on going this route.

Team management -> controlling them to do what you need when you need - controlling them on the fly and being adjustable/adaptable.
- things like hotkeys, and lua scripts for setting up things and changing settings.
- knowing how to utilize saved nav waypoints
- knowing how to utilize dannet groups

Understanding redundancy, necessary and "what butters your bread".
- not having enough bards = pain
- not having enough shaman = pain
- not having the right amount of paladins = pain

Being able to understand and utilize things like LEM, or writing lua scripts to handle the specific needs of specific raid events.

Understanding that you're going to fail spectacularly and frustratingly, over and over and over and over.

you have a tall order going from "i almost have a full group of 115s (max level will be 125 in less than 2 months) and not max AA or gear'd, no 18/19 gear, no current progression (leaving mount and familiar on the table), likely no jann's veil, and other stuff.

I'd focus on getting your g1 pimped out, and work on getting a g2 caught up to group 1 and then build from there.

your experience would almost certainly be better if you had a buddy or two that was looking to do the same thing.

My main group is 115 with max AA, except for some of the trade skills. I have plenty of time, its Everquest, ill be doing it forever ;-) I'm just trying to get a grasp of what I need to do, and just do it over time. Hopefully over time I will be able to hook up with someone else with similar interests, but for now, I'm ready for the slow grind and just learning, I'm not in a rush at all.

 

[durango773]

^what Sic said.

though since your on FV, gear isnt terrible if you want to drop the KR (way cheaper gear then on live).

I am going to re-emphasizes the point of 1 group, almost 115.. you can do some raids all the way to TBL with 2 well CONTROLLED, geared, and AA char. If you want to raid anything close to modern content, its going to take 4+ groups (or as sic said, your 2 and a friends 2), and its still a slog. I would give a year between making them, and calling them raid ready (since your starting). Max level will be 125 (and messing around on beta, its about 10k AA's per class atm), so will be level'n, gearing, AA'n, getting epics, rez sticks, heroics, DA clicks, CoP clicks... Its alot...

 

[Eltai86]

The biggest things in doing this is having a very clear understanding of your goals and objectives. There is a big difference between I want to go beat on 3-8 year old raids and I want to go beat every raid in the modern expansion. If it’s the latter, start building your bank account/krono supply/plat pipeline now because sustaining it is a behemoth.

Understanding leverage is a huge component, i leveraged my raid geared tank for building out and kept expanding. Look at the fellowship vitality post that is currently going. If you don’t understand it learn to understand it real quick. Understand finding yourself prime spots to work through certain stages of the leveling process, build your infrastructure to expedite that process.

Understand what is critical, what is important, what is useful, and what is fluff to do. Not all things reward the same level of return for time invested.
Example critical: Rez sticks for at least pal/dru/shms, sk epic, brd epic, hdex type 5/7 for most melee (war/ber are slightly different), don tier 4
Example useful: CoP clicks (depends on number of rangers you run in the army)
Example fluff: mage epic, da clicks, anniversary stein, hero’s aa for casters


Ensure you have an extensive, deep and thorough understanding of 16 classes, lem, Lua, macroscripts, writing your own audio triggers, event mechanics, dannet, nav, advpath, adps, ability/effect stacking, data management, project management, and more.

Establish good behaviors and hygiene early, you will thank yourself later. This includes coding, following processes you develop for yourself, organization and organizational tools, etc

 

[AlleyKat777]

I lack the experience of many of the posters, but I would have to agree with what they say. Beating up on old content is fun. (Revenge is always sweet) But its also a far cry from crushing current content. I admire the scope of what you are trying to accomplish, and I am sure others have achieved this. I personally lack the skills to pull off something like a current raid.

Kat

 

[Many_Whelps]

If you want to raid, just join a raid guild.