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Question - Best F2P DPS
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Sum1
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What he said.
All you need for a wizzy is mana and decent arms (and other focii). You can get all that in Tier 1 pretty easily, and the differences between Tier 1 and Tier 2 is relatively small.
I disagree. I have a zerk who literally uses a heroic axe and does 80k non dicho and 220k when dicho is up. Post nerf. The only non heroic gear he has is cohort. Actually even has castaway arms, not cohort. So with very minimal gear and EoK, zerk is insane dps and never oom with breather.
I do agree you must have dicho for zerk to be top dps though, so if you're going totally ftp which is tds xpac like onamatter mentioned then wiz is probably your best bet.
This was asked in PM to me, but will just respond here. There are a lot of different berserker usable 2handers that drop in Seb HH that are as good and better than the EoK T2, plus all of them are non-prestige. I'm not really sure which one is the best for a berserker, but they're all pretty common. I have EoK chase 2hander for my serker and keeping him all-access, so not too concerned, but went ahead and got him a few different Seb 2handers just in case. Think this is best for berserker DPS
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=128683
and you can camp Emp/Blood while trying for it. Emp also drops http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=128538 and if you ever tank/malo with your berserker that might be more useful. Lots of other 2 handers down there, maybe one that's an even better choice.
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=128683
and you can camp Emp/Blood while trying for it. Emp also drops http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=128538 and if you ever tank/malo with your berserker that might be more useful. Lots of other 2 handers down there, maybe one that's an even better choice.
Tried to rank DPS how I see it when building groups / FTP (I have TBM on all my accounts, went nuts when it was 50% off, if you don't have TBM maybe Wiz > Zerk)
Damage right now seems to be BER > WIZ > ROG (needs gear)
I always try to build:
Tank (SHD mostly)
CC (Bards for melee / Enc for caster)
Heals (SHM for melee heavy (have 1 vs 9 clerics lol) / CLR for everything)
DPS1 -- Porter DRU/WIZ
DPS2 -- DMG
DPS3 -- DMG
TIER 1
BER -- let's kill some shit
WIZ -- benefits not melee less obvious you are using mq2 / ports too
ROG -- solid damage / corpse dragging ... but melee
TIER 2
MAG -- brings COH / group COH
BST -- great damage / pets / shrinks / mana regen
DRU -- Ports / Decent DPS / Heals
RNG -- possibly tier 2 (don't play them enough, working on a ranger group to experiment)
TIER 3
MNK -- Why? Bring a Rog/Zerk if you want a melee or even BST
NEC -- Shit dies too fast, I never have had good luck with DOT classes for DPS... GREAT SOLO PLAY THOUGH!
Damage right now seems to be BER > WIZ > ROG (needs gear)
I always try to build:
Tank (SHD mostly)
CC (Bards for melee / Enc for caster)
Heals (SHM for melee heavy (have 1 vs 9 clerics lol) / CLR for everything)
DPS1 -- Porter DRU/WIZ
DPS2 -- DMG
DPS3 -- DMG
TIER 1
BER -- let's kill some shit
WIZ -- benefits not melee less obvious you are using mq2 / ports too
ROG -- solid damage / corpse dragging ... but melee
TIER 2
MAG -- brings COH / group COH
BST -- great damage / pets / shrinks / mana regen
DRU -- Ports / Decent DPS / Heals
RNG -- possibly tier 2 (don't play them enough, working on a ranger group to experiment)
TIER 3
MNK -- Why? Bring a Rog/Zerk if you want a melee or even BST
NEC -- Shit dies too fast, I never have had good luck with DOT classes for DPS... GREAT SOLO PLAY THOUGH!
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http://www.raidloot.com/Search.aspx?class=Berserker&slot=Primary&level=105&order=WeaponRatio
As far as weapons go here is a list of best zerker weapons by ratio
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As far as weapons go here is a list of best zerker weapons by ratio
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Looks like according to raidloot, Seb HH group 2hander is better for zerker, even when you include prestige.
It list Darkened Jarsath and Nathsar as same ratio, but I'd still go with Jarsath over Nathsar since you swing faster which gives more chances for crits even if not as high plus the proc is a 5400 DD and not a rune that may get you agro. Betting even with same ratio, if you actually parse both, Jarsath will do significantly more DPS.
It list Darkened Jarsath and Nathsar as same ratio, but I'd still go with Jarsath over Nathsar since you swing faster which gives more chances for crits even if not as high plus the proc is a 5400 DD and not a rune that may get you agro. Betting even with same ratio, if you actually parse both, Jarsath will do significantly more DPS.
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More swings != more crits. It will mean more ripo damage taken, though.
More swings should indeed generate more Crits overall though it shouldn't change the proportion of hits that are crits vs non crits as each attack has a %chance to crit. Thus it %chance to crit is 10%, and you swing 1000 times you should crit about 100 times while if you swing 1500 times you should crit about 150 times.
Sum1
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Fuck, sorry... I meant procs.
Nice list, i'd say mage is tier 1.5
My mages and druids perform really well... I only lumped them in tier2 because the other 3 just out damage them by so much.
For EOK I'd do this if starting new:
1 - War
2 - Cleric
3 - Enc
4 - Druid (I have them set to only battle rez tanks/cleric)
5 - Wiz/Mage >> or something you want to Experiment with like Rog for corpse drags
6 - Mage group COTH just makes moving around easy
For EOK I'd do this if starting new:
1 - War
2 - Cleric
3 - Enc
4 - Druid (I have them set to only battle rez tanks/cleric)
5 - Wiz/Mage >> or something you want to Experiment with like Rog for corpse drags
6 - Mage group COTH just makes moving around easy
Sum1
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Dude, definitely give rangers another look.
My melees all have EoK ultra rare weapons, and when the ranger can keep up on mana (with enchanter buffs and beast/bard in group) the ranger is killer dps. I honestly think right now my best group is SK, Cleric, Bard, Ranger, Zerker, Beastlord. I will swap a wizzy in there for ports and stuff, but that group slaughters shit.
You bowing or meleeing?
I'm literally in the middle of power leveling a 3x ranger group to do some experimenting. I haven't played a ranger since... 2013 maybe? I figured they'd wreck just don't have enough info to post about them.
What kind of set up are you using Sum1? Kiss with melee or another type macro? That is interesting, ive been looking for a reason to resurrect my ranger but haven't found a setup that is worth it.
I've had some decent success with both wiz and zerker as dps in my groups. Just recently returned from a very long break and am rather new to mq2 as well, so learning curve has been kind of rough. I noticed as someone mentioned above, the wizzy dps is solid and is more discrete. Ports are a huge plus too. That being said, I main a zerker so I'll never NOT have in my box crew
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Mine looks like this, but with a beastlord instead of a druid. Your DPS will be better, your group will be close to full mana and END 100% of the time and you have some pet synergies with the mage. A well set up beastlord can also act as a backup healer somewhat decent. If your cleric gets beat up enough to require a 2nd rezzer, you're doing something wrong imo, you should have 2 pets and a warrior grabbing all the aggro.
Agree 100%
I've got multiple groups with BST and they are pretty badass.
If I make DPS#5 a wiz, I don't typically stack a druid as well.
Right now I've been playing with an all gold melee group... it's expensive but fun as hell.
I'm doing SHD/SHM/BRD - BER/BER/ROG, the ROG was supposed to / is scheduled to become zerker #3, but with EOK raid weapons I burst 220k+ on named.
I've got multiple groups with BST and they are pretty badass.
If I make DPS#5 a wiz, I don't typically stack a druid as well.
Right now I've been playing with an all gold melee group... it's expensive but fun as hell.
I'm doing SHD/SHM/BRD - BER/BER/ROG, the ROG was supposed to / is scheduled to become zerker #3, but with EOK raid weapons I burst 220k+ on named.
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Definitely not bowing. Bow dps is only king when you have your trueshot disciplines running. The melee boosting aa's/discs have seen a lot more boosts over the years and really make a huge difference in a sustained environment.
I'd also say that I'm not sure that having three rangers in the same group would be a super great setup because their AA's and abilities really shine when stacked with other abilities. I'd love to hear about how it works for you, though!
And neeeewb ... I'm just running kissassist with some holy's. I haven't modified them in a while, so I'm probably not using the most efficient or effective setup, but it works great for me.
Team 1:
WAR
CLE
BRD
WIZ
BST
RNG
Team 2:
WAR
CLE
BRD
DRU
BZK
RNG
Team 3:
WAR
CLE
BRD
WIZ
BST
BZK
I been thinking about starting a new set of heroic group on a new server.
After reading this thread, these are the two group combos I cannot decide upon.
Any suggestions on which one ?
I dismissed not having a porter on my group since it will be my first group on new server, and without porter just too much hassle until I get a porter first.
WAR
CLE
BRD
WIZ
BST
RNG
Team 2:
WAR
CLE
BRD
DRU
BZK
RNG
Team 3:
WAR
CLE
BRD
WIZ
BST
BZK
I been thinking about starting a new set of heroic group on a new server.
After reading this thread, these are the two group combos I cannot decide upon.
Any suggestions on which one ?
I dismissed not having a porter on my group since it will be my first group on new server, and without porter just too much hassle until I get a porter first.
I play this right now as current setup, only level 95 for all the characters, and rangers are a little hard to manage.
william12
if take ranger out of the picture,
which do you think fare better？
T1:
WAR
CLE
BRD
DRU
ROG
BZK
T2:
WAR
CLE
BRD
WIZ
BST
BZK
william12
if take ranger out of the picture,
which do you think fare better？
T1:
WAR
CLE
BRD
DRU
ROG
BZK
T2:
WAR
CLE
BRD
WIZ
BST
BZK
If you have the opportunity you should really try, Tank/Healer/adps of choice and ZERK x 3! It's laughable. If the zerk are eok geared and max aa you can melt T2 mobs in like 10 seconds, over and over and over and over.
I fully expect daybreak to nerf their dps even further, or at least make the mobs have a lot more hps in the next xpac. But until then it's really fun.
I fully expect daybreak to nerf their dps even further, or at least make the mobs have a lot more hps in the next xpac. But until then it's really fun.
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Got a feeling they will get dot changes in before the start of next expansion and necros gonna be king of dps.
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Hmm do swift dots do that much dmg in under 20 secs? EoK mobs die in under 15-18 secs. I'm not sure how necros do any kinda real dmg since mobs die so quickly. That means you're getting 3 ticks of a dot in if you are lucky, 2 ticks guaranteed but the 3rd tick i'm not sure it will land 100% of the time. I can see them useful on the giants and in tier 2 EoK since mobs have more hp.
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My current setup is:
Warrior
Cleric
Shaman
Wiz
Wiz
Bard
Not the greatest dps, but its a tradeoff between bot like melee toons with stick vs caster group.
Sometimes I'll swap out the shaman for my monk.
Warrior
Cleric
Shaman
Wiz
Wiz
Bard
Not the greatest dps, but its a tradeoff between bot like melee toons with stick vs caster group.
Sometimes I'll swap out the shaman for my monk.
Necro dps is insane... on raid mobs!
You will not get great dps in a group. They aren't meant to group by nature and never have since 99 :P
They are solo maniacs and rarely need a group for xp. I have a friend who is CotF geared and like 12k aa who solos FM/Lcea all day...
1 Ranger in the right group is decent dps, I was surprised at the damage they can do.
3 Rangers is funny as shit for the headshots.
I have a group:
SHD
CLR
ENC
DRU
RNG
BST
That was doing surprisingly well, and tons of off healing potential / burst etc... overall good comp.
Rangers are tier 2