EQBC/ISboxer discussion

[LurkMcGurk]

Have you tried Razkles AFwiz to compare to Kiss?

Si, that's the afnuke i made reference to =P

 

[Warl0ck45]

Heh, well when you are pushing that many clients on the same machine, I imagine yes, you will have some latency using macros. I imagine your best bet would be to look into plugins. As I understand it, macros use something like 20X the computer power that a plugin does to accomplish the same thing. For most folks running 1-12 toons, not overly a big deal. When pushing that many clients, it probably adds up.

That sort of issue has less to do with communication and more to do with system latency, would be my guess. May want to check out the plugin version of afnuke and heal.

But then, I am no network engineer =)

 

[nyghteyes]

Ctaylor has a macro to reduce the size of kiss for large numbers of instances. Not sure if its still compatible but since it mostly just takes out the comments it would be worth a shot. Its around here somewhere.

 

[LurkMcGurk]

Heh, well when you are pushing that many clients on the same machine, I imagine yes, you will have some latency using macros. I imagine your best bet would be to look into plugins. As I understand it, macros use something like 20X the computer power that a plugin does to accomplish the same thing. For most folks running 1-12 toons, not overly a big deal. When pushing that many clients, it probably adds up.

That sort of issue has less to do with communication and more to do with system latency, would be my guess. May want to check out the plugin version of afnuke and heal.

But then, I am no network engineer =)

Well, on my main computer I definitely do notice my macros running slower than on other computers (when I run macros), I actually hadn't known or thought of that even. That's very interesting. Thanks for pointing that out for me =)



When I actually box (and the situation I am getting less than optimal DPS in) no macros are running though. Would EQBC count as a macro if I used it or would it work as an entirely different thing? Here's my line of thought and the theory I have right now/my reason for asking a lot of questions.... my DPS issue comes from the way isboxer works, isboxer uses round robin and sends your keypress to each client 1 at a time start to finish. Obviously the more clients the more time it takes to complete the "lap".

If EQ BC sends all the commands to all the clients simultaneously.... In theory that should fix my DPS issue. I don't really know how EQBC works and there's an issue with "just testing it" which would be, I would have to remake my entire interface in order to test it, would I not?

 

[Warl0ck45]

EQBC itself I would not think would add any more latency over ISB's key repeater, at a guess.... depending on if you already load the plugin.

By this I mean, each instance of EQ you would be loading MQ and which ever plugins you are using. The plugins are fractionally adding to the mix, but they would be adding their "tax" to the mix with each instance. As you approach the limits of your system/bottlenecks, such things would become more apparent, logically. Thus it would be a sort of comparison of how much does ISB add per instance VS MQ+plugins. Not having actually compared... I have no idea. Just ... thinking out load here.

As for you testing... for what I am understanding you are looking at using EQBC for (control of the other toons via commands) for testing purposes....I would assume you already have hotkeys set up (maybe even "weaves" set up) so you can boil it putting your DPS into 1 group, then using "/bcg //keypress 1" style commands and pound away at it like you would use a key repeater. I imagine you can make a few hotkeys using some unused bars so you can set up casting specific spells if you want to, though I would think setting up a weave button and pounding on it would be best for your situation.

Sorry, did not mean to "take over" the conversation. I just hate to see unanswered posts when I can add something =)

 

[LurkMcGurk]

EQBC itself I would not think would add any more latency over ISB's key repeater, at a guess.... depending on if you already load the plugin.

By this I mean, each instance of EQ you would be loading MQ and which ever plugins you are using. The plugins are fractionally adding to the mix, but they would be adding their "tax" to the mix with each instance. As you approach the limits of your system/bottlenecks, such things would become more apparent, logically. Thus it would be a sort of comparison of how much does ISB add per instance VS MQ+plugins. Not having actually compared... I have no idea. Just ... thinking out load here.

As for you testing... for what I am understanding you are looking at using EQBC for (control of the other toons via commands) for testing purposes....I would assume you already have hotkeys set up (maybe even "weaves" set up) so you can boil it putting your DPS into 1 group, then using "/bcg //keypress 1" style commands and pound away at it like you would use a key repeater. I imagine you can make a few hotkeys using some unused bars so you can set up casting specific spells if you want to, though I would think setting up a weave button and pounding on it would be best for your situation.

Sorry, did not mean to "take over" the conversation. I just hate to see unanswered posts when I can add something =)

You didn't take over the conversation, don't worry. I am kind of asking how EQBC is coded/getting personal opinions on it I guess. Everyone here uses EQBC and swears by it, so it wouldn't be hard to hurt someones feelings if I say the wrong thing about the program or ask something the wrong way. It's obvious in that regard when I say "I don't use EQBC" and a bunch of people jump up like 'you crazy'.

So, I am trying to figure out why the more advanced users who use both isboxer and EQBC chose to primarily use EQBC but only used isboxer for "support" like windows management and such; much like I use mq2 mostly for support for rez accepts, /afollow and such.


Which, that lead me to mentioning my one and only problem with ISboxer, which I find the program is coded kind of slowly in the regard that it round robins all of its key presses and I am fairly sure it's performing too many steps to see if each command goes through. I never noticed this before boxing 30+ characters on one computer and for the life of me this last year I can't really specify what the problem is. I have checked just about everything aside from buying a better graphics card and seeing if that fixes it or blaming it on isboxer and it being possibly slow.

If EQBC makes no change to my DPS then i could check another thing off my list of what could be causing my all around lower dps when boxing this many characters on 1 PC. That's essentially how I look at it =P