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Question - Rough patch on a FTP team (1 Viewer)

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Quick background - team three - all FTP - tank = war , heals = solo shm, dps = bard, zerk, zerk, rogue. Currently level 76 across the board.

I cruised through these levels on my gold teams. And my FTP SK with cleric team is doing fine in this range. But this team is seriously struggling right now. I don't know if its the warrior in a lull spot where he is struggling to stay standing or if it's a bad spot where the shaman struggles solo. I know I have had some level ranges previously where the shaman did struggle on his own. Or is it a combo of the two perhaps? This is the only war I use in my groups as I prefer knights for the increased group utility, but I wanted the set of tanks across my FTPs. The gear is pretty standard for this range - mostly defiant, I did give him a blade of carnage to help with agro.

Any pointers from the war / shm pros out there?
 

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Quick background - team three - all FTP - tank = war , heals = solo shm, dps = bard, zerk, zerk, rogue. Currently level 76 across the board.

I cruised through these levels on my gold teams. And my FTP SK with cleric team is doing fine in this range. But this team is seriously struggling right now. I don't know if its the warrior in a lull spot where he is struggling to stay standing or if it's a bad spot where the shaman struggles solo. I know I have had some level ranges previously where the shaman did struggle on his own. Or is it a combo of the two perhaps? This is the only war I use in my groups as I prefer knights for the increased group utility, but I wanted the set of tanks across my FTPs. The gear is pretty standard for this range - mostly defiant, I did give him a blade of carnage to help with agro.

Any pointers from the war / shm pros out there?
shaman are very much not designed for solo heals until they start getting their reckless line (starts at 90), it is a very tall order - this is less noticable with a shd or a pal who can self heal/suppliment heal - it is especially rough in the 70s-90s, and levels out once you get upper 90s into 100s - by 100 you have 3 reckless, squall, recourse (87), intetervention (78), and can get away from relying on mending line. also you will need/want your rez stick (think you need 85 to do the missions)

if I were in my mid 70s, I would go check if the "scaling" tbm gear is better than what you are wearing - it is very cheap (can get remnants on bazaar) like 3-15 remnants per piece of gear, no augs needed at 70 or 75 (don't recall which). don't need any progression quests done to buy the baseline either
 
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Exactly what Sic said. Just pop a krono on your warrior and you should be good to go. This is just a tough area unless you plan on fighting an expansion or two behind grinding low blues to light blues.
 
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Quick background - team three - all FTP - tank = war , heals = solo shm, dps = bard, zerk, zerk, rogue. Currently level 76 across the board.

I cruised through these levels on my gold teams. And my FTP SK with cleric team is doing fine in this range. But this team is seriously struggling right now. I don't know if its the warrior in a lull spot where he is struggling to stay standing or if it's a bad spot where the shaman struggles solo. I know I have had some level ranges previously where the shaman did struggle on his own. Or is it a combo of the two perhaps? This is the only war I use in my groups as I prefer knights for the increased group utility, but I wanted the set of tanks across my FTPs. The gear is pretty standard for this range - mostly defiant, I did give him a blade of carnage to help with agro.

Any pointers from the war / shm pros out there?
Just my two cents...i'd buy via /barter, or in General some Prize: Gift of Heroic Chars if you can grab them. I also wouldn't pop a krono till you max out at 110. If you do the gift on the tank you can get a decent set of heroic gear that'll get you through 106...then you can farm some cohort in frontier mountains...and get snowbound at 110...then pop krono and max out your aa.
 
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May have to check that option out - I have been moving so many teams lately I think I am down to only a couple mil plat, maybe the wife will let me spend some real money this month. She does already let me keep 6 gold accounts so I can't complain too much 🤓 eventually I will need to post the sweet 6 monitor set up she got me for my winter solstice gift.
 
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May have to check that option out - I have been moving so many teams lately I think I am down to only a couple mil plat, maybe the wife will let me spend some real money this month. She does already let me keep 6 gold accounts so I can't complain too much 🤓 eventually I will need to post the sweet 6 monitor set up she got me for my winter solstice gift.
You'd be surprised, most server i've seen no one's listed them to buy in /buyer (/barter window). I always list one or two and every couple of weeks people drop them on me for 2 mil each. Little expensive but it beats climbing your way up from scratch. Once i've got 2-4 i'll pop a new team and get them grinding towards 110
 
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@jfrazi what server are you on, maybe someone here can help you.
Also, once you get to lvl 80, you can ask to join someone's fellowship, you need to find a lvl 110 group though, or maybe even have your tank join their group.

Also make sure you leave your guys in the guild lobby getting buffs overnight
 
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I feel your pain @jfrazi . to say my ftp team is struggling at 79 is an understatement. I have died more in 78-79 than I think I did getting to this point combined. It seems ok when I was poking around with The Buried Sea and Jonas Dagmires Skeletal Hand quests but when I tried anything beyond that, it’s wipe city. I’m not even close to having 2 mil plat but I like that idea of the heroic thingy. I’ll watch for them in the bazaar and see if one ever pops up cheaply. Best of luck to you and if I see anything that works for me, I’ll let you know
 
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As they all said you are in that struggle zone, however, you struggle more than usual because you are used to pwning everything. Remember back when we didn't have many AAs and we had to kill stuff that was blue? Remember that killing blues or even ligh blues, although boring, can still net a nice chunk of exp if you don't have to rez and regroup. Also find a place that has quests that you can turn in as well. I can't recall where I was hunting back in that lvl range, but I do remember VoA was mighty difficult as a tank. You might need to go one expansion back from that and farm blues.

As for the advice of using a krono etc, I would not bother with that until you hit 110 or at least 105 since that is the last lvl for Free AAs. You said you have other toons so just PL thru a few lvls until your shm can heal better.
 
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At 79 …. have you tried the farm? I vaguely recall powning that whole area around that level with my war or Mage. Massive trains and good quest hits nearby. If not house of thule comes to mind. This is why i tell people make a mage part of your grow up box routine. Mage pets are relatively inexpensive and can carry your crew if your tank is lacking aa’s gear.
 
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Where are you trying to level at 76?
Maybe a lower lvl area. Light blues can be a grind, but Quantity is often just as good as Quality.

Also - If this is team 3 - have you tried getting toons from Team 1 and 2 to sit outside your grp to help heal or DPS.
It can take a bit of working - but as long as TEAM 3 combined can do >50% of the damage to a mob - you will still get xp.

Example: TEAM 1 -SK (Puller tank), CLR HEAL MODE (XTARGET HEALS as well), ENC (Mez Duty), MERC CLERIC, MERC CLERIC, MERC CLERIC (DPS is gunna be pretty poor - but you can pull gazzilion trains and stay alive)

TEAM 3 WARRIOR /MAC KISSASSIST SK 100
Rest of Team 3 on DPS duty

Get your Warrior to forget about tanking and just dps. No taunting, or agro stuff.

You should be able to get them up a few lvls this way - until they can stand on their own again.
 
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Been getting lots of solid feedback here - so I think I will provide more back ground just to fill in on some of the other ideas I have heard. I currently run 18 accounts. 6 Gold and 12 FTP. I started slowly a few years ago as a way to be able to play my antique toons on my main accounts again - I have several toons that are old enough to legally drink. But gradually ( and a lot of lurking here) I started building out entire teams of new toons to test everything out. I currently have four teams set up - 2 set up on the gold accounts and 2 different FTP teams on the other 12.

Mains (gold) - paladin - shm - clr - rog - bst - enc = 110 / 111 and currently farming in Kunark for cohort armor drops - this team started at lvl 1 with newtoon.mac and had rolled ever since. I did some fiddling about at one point to up the DPS - but went back to this configuration as they have been able to take content without stop due to all the cross heals and utility. But I know this team isn't for everyone.

Secondary (gold) - sk - brd - shm - zrk - zrk - druid = I had a lot of free heroic tokens from expacs and 21st and I wanted to finally try this out at its close to full power = all lvl 86 and farming for T1 HoT armor for the FTPs when I am not playing the mains. I added my own twist to the dbl zerk and went druid for utility over a bst. I like the ports / evac / group invis for a farming team - its easy to move them about. And I have a soft spot for druids. #mq2drOOd?

FTP 1 - sk - clr - enc - mage - mage - necro = Gnomercy team - all gnomes ( im a sucker for themes) - currently level 76 and farming mino's when open in dragonhills. If the cleric reliably used her pet hammer everyone would have a minion on the battle field. It amuses me to watch mobs get swarmed under by a pack of knee high gnomes and tiny pets.

FTP 2 - war - shm - brd - zrk - zrk - rog = Furry Fury - all vah shirs - currently lvl 75 - this team was made before the gnomes, but started having issues in certain levels ranges so the gnomes went right past them. I tried to follow the same path I took with the mains and it proved to be a bad idea. Even with how popular the load out is - I discovered it doesn't account for straight leveling 1-115. Keep having to back off as the shaman can't keep up or runs himself out of mana entirely and the group sits a lot.

Oddly enough, even after this many years of playing I have actually never used a big toon to seriously PL a group. I tend to craft the entire group and let them go to see how they evolve as a unit and how the team operates. I know some say this doesn't reflect how they will be at max levels, but after 22 years being max level is only part of the journey for me. I love to watch my groups go ham across the different screens and develop their own little personalities. I recently deleted about a dozen or so characters across various accounts cleaning things up. These are the 4 groups that I settled on keeping along with my collection of originals that I just can't see not having even if I am not actively leveling them.

TL; DR this is my first serious push with totally FTP squads / I have never used my big guys to PL oddly enough / I am easily amused turns out 🤓
 

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