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Funny - I'm dissappointed at how good wizards are :( (1 Viewer)

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Can't find a rants and rave section so I'm posting this here.

I pl'ed a wizard while out of town to replace my necro. With no thought to configuring it (just some random fire spells), low aa count, no burns/aa's configured, no type3s, no rank 2s, etc. This guy is already doing good to great damage. Often out damaging everyone else in my group.

Blahh... Do yourself a favor and put one or 3 in your box group.
 
redraj said:
Can't find a rants and rave section so I'm posting this here.

I pl'ed a wizard while out of town to replace my necro. With no thought to configuring it (just some random fire spells), low aa count, no burns/aa's configured, no type3s, no , etc. This guy is already doing good to great damage. Often out damaging everyone else in my group.

Blahh... Do yourself a favor and put one or 3 in your box group.
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Necromancers are sustained DPS and wizards are burst. Don't get me wrong a necro can do quick damage and a Wizard can sustain DPS but look at raid parses and you'll see that necros far out DPS wizards on long fights and wizards far out DPS necros on short fights.
 
I just put my 97 Wiz into my group of mage/enchanter and nearly fell over at how fast things die. Can't imagine what will happen when I take the time to get him a J5 wiz merc and level 90+ spells!! :)
 
Diba said:
Necromancers are sustained DPS and wizards are burst. Don't get me wrong a necro can do quick damage and a Wizard can sustain DPS but look at raid parses and you'll see that necros far out DPS wizards on long fights and wizards far out DPS necros on short fights.
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You got the wrong wizards :) Necros are higher in sustained but its not far and mages beat both in sustained.
 
calaxa said:
Maybe his fights are long and yours are short? ;)
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Maybe. Long or short is pretty subjective after all. Completely unrelated--anyone ever notice a ranger can heal for a ton on raids? I played patch healing ranger on an Arx raid and out parsed 2 of the three clerics who were on the same tank.
 
Healing parses can be very misleading though. What are those other clerics doing? Rezzing/buffing/DIing? Maybe their heals are landing at the wrong instant when the tank has just been healed? Spell casts might be a little more reliable but then again, also has to be interpreted correctly. Rangers can heal in a pinch but just like in old days, if that ranger is my main healer, I'm ditching this group lol.
 
I believe you are right about the timing. I timed my heals for low points and I'd imagine they were spamming heals. However the numbers were from the tank being healed so I'd imagine they're fairly good numbers.
 
my wiz is averaging about 30-40k dps in group gear, in beasts domain but the mobs die in about 10 seconds so I dont know what she would do past that time frame lol
 
Just a couple examples from Arx Mentis last night. Unknown class = wiz merc on burn.


/GU A custodian in 32s, 3099k @96830sdps --- Wizard 946k@29566sdps (33789dps in 28s) --- Unknown Class 809k@25269sdps (27883dps in 29s) --- Wizard 782k@24428sdps (35532dps in 22s) --- Enchanter 453k@14162sdps (15627dps in 29s) --- Paladin 109k@3405sdps (3405dps in 32s)

/GU An author in 30s, 3084k @102813sdps --- #1 Wizard 1281k@42708sdps (64063dps in 20s) --- #2 Wizard 573k@19114sdps (35839dps in 16s) --- #3 Enchanter 538k@17938sdps (25625dps in 21s) --- #4 Unknown Class 363k@12094sdps (40312dps in 9s) --- #5 Cleric 202k@6737sdps (202116dps in 1s) --- #6 Paladin 127k@4222sdps (4222dps in 30s)

/GU A tired praetor ledalus in 38s, 3305k @86981sdps --- #1 Wizard 1041k@27396sdps (45264dps in 23s) --- #2 Wizard 834k@21955sdps (27809dps in 30s) --- #3 Unknown Class 832k@21905sdps (34683dps in 24s) --- #4 Paladin 398k@10470sdps (10752dps in 37s) --- #5 Enchanter 114k@3004sdps (3261dps in 35s) --- #6 Cleric 86k@2251sdps (85549dps in 1s)

/GU A praetor ledalus in 58s, 3334k @57477sdps --- #1 Wizard 1033k@17806sdps (31295dps in 33s) --- #2 Unknown Class 1021k@17595sdps (31891dps in 32s) --- #3 Wizard 815k@14043sdps (20363dps in 40s) --- #4 Paladin 344k@5933sdps (6748dps in 51s) --- #5 Enchanter 75k@1289sdps (1359dps in 55s) --- #6 Cleric 47k@811sdps (1238dps in 38s)

/GU A tired praetor ledalus in 39s, 3245k @83208sdps --- #1 Wizard 1334k@34214sdps (53373dps in 25s) --- #2 Wizard 1065k@27316sdps (32282dps in 33s) --- #3 Unknown Class 538k@13796sdps (23394dps in 23s) --- #4 Paladin 158k@4048sdps (4155dps in 38s) --- #5 Enchanter 126k@3222sdps (3808dps in 33s) --- #6 Cleric 24k@612sdps (23872dps in 1s)
 
Diba said:
Perhaps yours are wrong lol. I'm just reading parses from end game raids. They're fairly consistent with what I said.
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You're most likely looking at combined where wizards pad the parse from adds that necros never even cast on. 1 mob any length necros win unless you have an enchanter exploiting chromatic haze.
 
I'll post the neriak burn tomorrow. There are no adds and it's a quick burn. Top DPS came from Wizards. Think we had some rangers up there with parses around 120k DPS too lol.
 
william12 said:
Ill find an ark1 just the named necros doing 150k over 400s
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I really don't know what that has to do with any of this. . . I'm glad you know a necro who can out DPS a ranger? But it appears as though your response supports my claim more than anything. If you'll look back my claim was that a Necromancer will out DPS a Wizzy on a sustained fight whereas a Wizzy will out DPS a Necromancer on a burst fight.
 
Diba said:
I really don't know what that has to do with any of this. . . I'm glad you know a necro who can out DPS a ranger? But it appears as though your response supports my claim more than anything. If you'll look back my claim was that a Necromancer will out DPS a Wizzy on a sustained fight whereas a Wizzy will out DPS a Necromancer on a burst fight.
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Guess I read it wrong I thought you said wizards were winning burst and sustained. Highest ive seen necros get in burst is 220k so ya they win that. How are your zerkers/rogues losing to wizards though ? No bst ? A zerker/rogue can hit 400k on the 1st mob in neriak 1.
 
william12 said:
Guess I read it wrong I thought you said wizards were winning burst and sustained. Highest ive seen necros get in burst is 220k so ya they win that. How are your zerkers/rogues losing to wizards though ? No bst ? A zerker/rogue can hit 400k on the 1st mob in neriak 1.
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I don't think we have but maybe 1 or 2 beastlords. I'd be very interested to know what combination we need to get a rog or zerker that high though lol. As sad as it is most of our rangers out DPS our rogues and zerkers. Typically on parses I'll see Wiz Wiz Wiz Ranger Ranger Ranger Ranger Rog Rog. Keep on mind we have like 14 rangers so there's always more in raid than any other class lol. We also only have a couple necromancer and a couple mage. The necro sometimes takes the parse but not very often unless it's a really long fight.
 
Diba said:
I don't think we have but maybe 1 or 2 beastlords. I'd be very interested to know what combination we need to get a rog or zerker that high though lol. As sad as it is most of our rangers out DPS our rogues and zerkers. Typically on parses I'll see Wiz Wiz Wiz Ranger Ranger Ranger Ranger Rog Rog. Keep on mind we have like 14 rangers so there's always more in raid than any other class lol. We also only have a couple necromancer and a couple mage. The necro sometimes takes the parse but not very often unless it's a really long fight.
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Perfect melee dps group is bard,shm,zerk,zerk,bst,rog if you only have 1 bst replace the rogue with a 3rd zerker if you have one they benefit more from a bst and bard. Ber suck in sustained on one mob but on combined like Argin or Arx1 they can be competitive if you dont have a bard though you might as well not invite them to the raid you will see a 40% reduction in burn and sustained. If your bers are losing burn parses like Neriak 1 to rangers and they have a bard/bst they should /deletetoon rogues can beat them once in awhile otherwise they should never lose it. Check to make sure they're actually using furious rampage.
 
I have always favored the wiz wiz wiz way but lately been running wiz wiz ranger and am quite happy - they meet up nice with my chanter, cleric, SK ..... but I am leveling a bard now to swap the chanter and see..... I am concerned that if I swap the cleric for a shaman that my death rate will go up. My Cleric is 11k AAs and he heals his ass off! all the rest of my team is max AA except the Ranger that just broke 10k AA but overall stuff dies FAST! I am all about the quick kill!
 
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